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15:36:49 <trackbot> Meeting: RDF Working Group Teleconference
15:36:49 <trackbot> Date: 11 December 2013
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16:01:24 <Guus> zakim, who is here?
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16:01:49 <Arnaud> scribe: Arnaud
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16:01:54 <ivan> zakim, code?
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16:01:54 <Zakim> the conference code is 73394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), ivan
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16:02:04 <Arnaud> topic: Admin
16:02:16 <Arnaud> subtopic: Minutes of last meeting
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16:03:14 <Guus> zakim, who is here?
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16:03:40 <Guus> chair: Guus
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16:04:05 <Arnaud> PROPOSED: accept the minutes of the 04 Dec telecon: https://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/rdf-wg/2013-12-04
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16:04:21 <pfps> minutes are fine
Peter Patel-Schneider: minutes are fine ←
16:04:31 <Arnaud> RESOLVED: accept the minutes of the 04 Dec telecon: https://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/rdf-wg/2013-12-04
RESOLVED: accept the minutes of the 04 Dec telecon: https://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/rdf-wg/2013-12-04 ←
16:04:41 <Arnaud> subtopic: review of action items
16:04:54 <Arnaud> agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.12.11
16:05:18 <pfps> someone sure cleaned up the action items!
Peter Patel-Schneider: someone sure cleaned up the action items! ←
16:05:26 <Arnaud> action-98, to sandro, not urgent
ACTION-98, to sandro, not urgent ←
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16:05:40 <Zakim> +Sandro
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16:05:57 <Arnaud> action-281 still going on
ACTION-281 still going on ←
16:06:06 <Arnaud> action-326, david will do it
ACTION-326, david will do it ←
16:06:19 <Arnaud> action-329, gavin is now available to work on it
ACTION-329, gavin is now available to work on it ←
16:06:53 <Arnaud> guus: action-329 is now "update" instead of "add"
Guus Schreiber: ACTION-329 is now "update" instead of "add" ←
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16:07:02 <ivan> zakim, unmute me
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16:07:10 <Arnaud> subtopic: Next meeting
<Arnaud> guus: next meeting is 18 Dec
Guus Schreiber: next meeting is 18 Dec ←
16:07:28 <Zakim> +Souri
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16:07:32 <Arnaud> subtopic: JSON-LD PR vote results
16:07:45 <Arnaud> ivan: don't have the results, will get them
Ivan Herman: don't have the results, will get them ←
16:07:58 <Arnaud> guus: when do we gather testimonials?
Guus Schreiber: when do we gather testimonials? ←
16:08:09 <Arnaud> ivan: we have time, can do that in January
Ivan Herman: we have time, can do that in January ←
16:08:29 <Arnaud> sandro: expected REC unknown yet, but expected to be pushed back
Sandro Hawke: expected REC unknown yet, but expected to be pushed back ←
16:10:55 <ivan> JSON-LD votes: 27 yes as is, 1 with some purely editorial comments, and 2 abstentions
Ivan Herman: JSON-LD votes: 27 yes as is, 1 with some purely editorial comments, and 2 abstentions ←
16:12:35 <Arnaud> ivan: got the JSON-LD vote results, comments are editorial, editors should just handle them
Ivan Herman: got the JSON-LD vote results, comments are editorial, editors should just handle them ←
16:08:35 <Arnaud> topic: WG activity plan
16:08:53 <Arnaud> Guus: Draft PR http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/RDF11-PR-Request
Guus Schreiber: Draft PR http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/RDF11-PR-Request ←
16:09:07 <Arnaud> ... goal is to have the decision today
... goal is to have the decision today ←
16:09:16 <Arnaud> ... for end of Feb REC
... for end of Feb REC ←
16:09:36 <Arnaud> ... need to request W3M for a 2 month extension
... need to request W3M for a 2 month extension ←
16:09:50 <Arnaud> ... need to know if that works for the WG
... need to know if that works for the WG ←
16:10:14 <Arnaud> ... plan is still to get all the docs to REC at the same time
... plan is still to get all the docs to REC at the same time ←
16:11:01 <pfps> I have problems with splitting REC times.
Peter Patel-Schneider: I have problems with splitting REC times. ←
16:11:06 <sandro> very impressive
Sandro Hawke: very impressive ←
16:11:09 <Arnaud> ivan: because of the dependencies between docs it's better to have them all at the same time
Ivan Herman: because of the dependencies between docs it's better to have them all at the same time ←
16:12:57 <Arnaud> topic: CR implementations
16:13:09 <Arnaud> Guus: are the reports up-to-date?
Guus Schreiber: are the reports up-to-date? ←
16:13:39 <Arnaud> gkellogg: reports should be updated to fix some issues
Gregg Kellogg: reports should be updated to fix some issues ←
16:13:50 <PatH> Sorry Im late.
Patrick Hayes: Sorry Im late. ←
16:14:16 <Arnaud> Guus: turtle spec is missing a reference to the implementation report and test suite
Guus Schreiber: turtle spec is missing a reference to the implementation report and test suite ←
16:14:31 <Zakim> +PatH
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16:14:43 <ericP> -> http://services.w3.org/htmldiff?doc1=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2FTR%2Fturtle%2F&doc2=http%3A%2F%2Fjay.w3.org%2F~eric%2FOverview.html current Turtle diffs
Eric Prud'hommeaux: -> http://services.w3.org/htmldiff?doc1=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2FTR%2Fturtle%2F&doc2=http%3A%2F%2Fjay.w3.org%2F~eric%2FOverview.html current Turtle diffs ←
16:14:46 <ericP> (btw)
Eric Prud'hommeaux: (btw) ←
16:14:49 <pfps> Who do I send revised EARL reports to?
Peter Patel-Schneider: Who do I send revised EARL reports to? ←
16:15:08 <gkellogg> Send revised EARL reports to rdf-comments.
Gregg Kellogg: Send revised EARL reports to rdf-comments. ←
16:15:15 <Arnaud> Guus: any news on semantics tests?
Guus Schreiber: any news on semantics tests? ←
16:16:29 <Arnaud> pfps: there are some updates that he will forward to the WG
Peter Patel-Schneider: tIre are some updates that I will forward to tI WG ←
16:16:53 <Arnaud> s/he/I/
16:17:23 <Arnaud> Guus: should try and push to get some implementations
Guus Schreiber: should try and push to get some implementations ←
16:17:43 <Arnaud> ... if that doesn't work we can try and ask the Director to waive the exit criteria
... if that doesn't work we can try and ask the Director to waive the exit criteria ←
16:18:00 <Arnaud> ivan: don't think there is a precedent for this
Ivan Herman: don't think there is a precedent for this ←
16:18:50 <Arnaud> Guus: this may be a problem but we'll see
Guus Schreiber: this may be a problem but we'll see ←
16:18:54 <Arnaud> topic: CR comments
16:19:08 <Arnaud> Guus: all turtle comments have been addressed
Guus Schreiber: all turtle comments have been addressed ←
16:19:53 <Arnaud> ... other docs: for concepts we need the editors to deal with the comments
... other docs: for concepts we need the editors to deal with the comments ←
16:20:29 <Arnaud> ... what's the status of comment #8?
... what's the status of comment #8? ←
16:20:55 <Arnaud> andys: have replied but didn't get a response
Andy Seaborne: have replied but didn't get a response ←
16:21:07 <Arnaud> Guus: ok, we accepted this actually
Guus Schreiber: ok, we accepted this actually ←
16:21:22 <Arnaud> ... #11, that's a draft fix
... #11, that's a draft fix ←
16:21:39 <Arnaud> andys: haven't got a formal response but consider this resolved
Andy Seaborne: haven't got a formal response but consider this resolved ←
16:21:59 <Arnaud> ... this is combined with the next one, which is resolved
... this is combined with the next one, which is resolved ←
16:22:14 <Arnaud> Guus: #13, wanted confirmation
Guus Schreiber: #13, wanted confirmation ←
16:22:34 <gavinc> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/n-triples.html#canonical-ntriples
Gavin Carothers: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/n-triples.html#canonical-ntriples ←
16:23:03 <Arnaud> AndyS: proposal is to have a section for canonical ntriples
Andy Seaborne: proposal is to have a section for canonical ntriples ←
16:23:39 <Arnaud> ... we don't test for this, so having this in the conformance section is wrong
... we don't test for this, so having this in the conformance section is wrong ←
16:25:20 <Arnaud> Guus: I take silence as consent on the editorial change
Guus Schreiber: I take silence as consent on the editorial change ←
16:25:23 <pfps> fine by me
Peter Patel-Schneider: fine by me ←
16:25:24 <PatH> +0
Patrick Hayes: +0 ←
16:25:27 <gavinc> +1
Gavin Carothers: +1 ←
16:25:27 <Arnaud> davidwood: yes
David Wood: yes ←
16:25:42 <Arnaud> Guus: ok, that will become our official response then
Guus Schreiber: ok, that will become our official response then ←
16:25:56 <Arnaud> AndyS: ok, I will do that, I expect it to be accepted
Andy Seaborne: ok, I will do that, I expect it to be accepted ←
16:26:49 <Arnaud> gavinc: other issue that didn't come as comment on the list is on the last section on UTF8 triples, but don't expect the commenter to officially object
Gavin Carothers: other issue that didn't come as comment on the list is on the last section on UTF8 triples, but don't expect the commenter to officially object ←
16:27:40 <Arnaud> sandro: we should be procedurally careful and try to get him to say whether he intends to formally object
Sandro Hawke: we should be procedurally careful and try to get him to say whether he intends to formally object ←
16:27:53 <Arnaud> Guus: happy to take action for this
Guus Schreiber: happy to take action for this ←
16:28:12 <Arnaud> action: Guus to respond to Greg Williams
ACTION: Guus to respond to Greg Williams ←
<trackbot> Created ACTION-334 - Respond to Greg Williams [on Guus Schreiber - due 2013-12-18].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-334 - Respond to Greg Williams [on Guus Schreiber - due 2013-12-18]. ←
16:28:47 <Arnaud> topic: Open issues
16:28:57 <Arnaud> Guus: want to look at the non CR comment issues
Guus Schreiber: want to look at the non CR comment issues ←
16:29:05 <Arnaud> ... currently 13 open issues
... currently 13 open issues ←
16:29:21 <Arnaud> issue-78
16:29:21 <trackbot> issue-78 -- Document Convention for Using Datasets -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-78 -- Document Convention for Using Datasets -- open ←
16:29:21 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/78
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/78 ←
16:29:34 <Arnaud> Guus: don't need to resolve it now
Guus Schreiber: don't need to resolve it now ←
16:29:38 <Arnaud> issue-83
16:29:38 <trackbot> issue-83 -- RDF/XML: Incorrect reference for use of HTML rel="meta" -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-83 -- RDF/XML: Incorrect reference for use of HTML rel="meta" -- open ←
16:29:38 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/83
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/83 ←
16:29:56 <Arnaud> Guus: happened to resolve this while editing the doc this week
Guus Schreiber: happened to resolve this while editing the doc this week ←
16:30:09 <Arnaud> Proposal for ISSUE-83: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2013Dec/0106.html
Proposal for ISSUE-83: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2013Dec/0106.html ←
16:30:29 <AZ> Yes, remove
Antoine Zimmermann: Yes, remove ←
16:30:31 <pfps> <answer rel="meta" content="+1" />
Peter Patel-Schneider: <answer rel="meta" content="+1" /> ←
16:30:32 <Arnaud> PROPOSED: remove the Section "Using RDF/XML with HTML and XHTML" [1], as it is now obsolete.
PROPOSED: remove the Section "Using RDF/XML with HTML and XHTML" [1], as it is now obsolete. ←
16:30:37 <Zakim> +EricP
Zakim IRC Bot: +EricP ←
16:30:39 <ivan> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
16:30:41 <AZ> +1
Antoine Zimmermann: +1 ←
16:30:44 <pchampin> +1
16:30:45 <PatH> +1
Patrick Hayes: +1 ←
16:30:46 <gavinc> +1
Gavin Carothers: +1 ←
16:30:46 <TallTed> +1
Ted Thibodeau: +1 ←
16:30:49 <markus> +1
Markus Lanthaler: +1 ←
16:30:49 <gkellogg> +1
Gregg Kellogg: +1 ←
16:30:52 <AndyS> +1
Andy Seaborne: +1 ←
16:30:54 <yvesr> +1
Yves Raimond: +1 ←
16:30:57 <Zakim> -EricP
Zakim IRC Bot: -EricP ←
16:30:59 <tbaker> +1
Thomas Baker: +1 ←
16:31:00 <Guus> +1
Guus Schreiber: +1 ←
16:31:00 <Zakim> -EricP
Zakim IRC Bot: -EricP ←
16:31:04 <davidwood> +1
David Wood: +1 ←
16:31:13 <Arnaud> RESOLVED: remove the Section "Using RDF/XML with HTML and XHTML" [1], as it is now obsolete.
RESOLVED: remove the Section "Using RDF/XML with HTML and XHTML" [1], as it is now obsolete. ←
16:31:50 <Arnaud> guus: issue-119 can be closed now that we have an action for it
Guus Schreiber: ISSUE-119 can be closed now that we have an action for it ←
16:32:12 <Zakim> +EricP
Zakim IRC Bot: +EricP ←
16:32:40 <Arnaud> issue-156
16:32:40 <trackbot> issue-156 -- Media type parameter for turtle -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-156 -- Media type parameter for turtle -- open ←
16:32:40 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/156
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/156 ←
16:33:01 <Arnaud> guus: can we have a proposal for closing this?
Guus Schreiber: can we have a proposal for closing this? ←
16:33:25 <markus> it would require us to go back to LC if we make a change, right?
Markus Lanthaler: it would require us to go back to LC if we make a change, right? ←
16:33:27 <pfps> take no action sound good to me
Peter Patel-Schneider: take no action sound good to me ←
16:33:28 <Arnaud> proposed: close issue-156, taking no action
PROPOSED: close ISSUE-156, taking no action ←
16:33:49 <AndyS> +1
Andy Seaborne: +1 ←
16:33:53 <PatH> +0
Patrick Hayes: +0 ←
16:33:54 <gavinc> +1
Gavin Carothers: +1 ←
16:33:58 <pfps> +1
16:33:59 <ivan> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
16:34:03 <Guus> +1
Guus Schreiber: +1 ←
16:34:08 <TallTed> +1
Ted Thibodeau: +1 ←
16:34:08 <gkellogg> +1
Gregg Kellogg: +1 ←
16:34:09 <AZ> +1
Antoine Zimmermann: +1 ←
16:34:10 <pchampin> +1
16:34:12 <ericP> +1
Eric Prud'hommeaux: +1 ←
16:34:13 <tbaker> +0
Thomas Baker: +0 ←
16:34:13 <markus> +0
Markus Lanthaler: +0 ←
16:34:34 <Arnaud> RESOLVED: close issue-156, taking no action
RESOLVED: close ISSUE-156, taking no action ←
16:34:52 <PatH> bad echo from Guus
Patrick Hayes: bad echo from Guus ←
16:34:55 <Arnaud> issue-169
16:34:55 <trackbot> issue-169 -- DOM4 dependency -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-169 -- DOM4 dependency -- open ←
16:34:55 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/169
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/169 ←
16:35:45 <Arnaud> Guus: I think that takes care of the open issues
Guus Schreiber: I think that takes care of the open issues ←
16:35:51 <Arnaud> ... the rest is related to CR comments
... the rest is related to CR comments ←
16:36:17 <Arnaud> topic: PR decision for Syntax documents
16:36:33 <Arnaud> gavin: turtle still has feature at risk
Gavin Carothers: turtle still has feature at risk ←
16:37:02 <Arnaud> Guus: I asked for the docs to be updated and made ready
Guus Schreiber: I asked for the docs to be updated and made ready ←
16:37:11 <Arnaud> gavin: all of them are except for turtle
Gavin Carothers: all of them are except for turtle ←
16:37:56 <Arnaud> gavinc and eric discuss version management
gavinc and eric discuss version management ←
16:38:44 <Arnaud> gavinc: don't understand the resolutions
Gavin Carothers: don't understand the resolutions ←
16:38:54 <Arnaud> ... need someone else to write them down
... need someone else to write them down ←
16:39:01 <Arnaud> ericP: will do it
Eric Prud'hommeaux: will do it ←
16:39:25 <Arnaud> Guus: for the three other docs, not sure about the changes section
Guus Schreiber: for the three other docs, not sure about the changes section ←
16:39:38 <pfps> I just added a change section for Semantics (the only change was adding the change section)
Peter Patel-Schneider: I just added a change section for Semantics (the only change was adding the change section) ←
16:39:41 <Arnaud> ... don't see changes related to CR
... don't see changes related to CR ←
16:40:12 <Arnaud> ... I would prefer a named changes section
... I would prefer a named changes section ←
16:40:46 <Arnaud> ... not sure it makes sense to decide to send these to CR as is
... not sure it makes sense to decide to send these to CR as is ←
16:41:39 <Arnaud> PROPOSED: request the Director to advance Turtle, TriG, N-Triples and N-Quads to Proposed Recommendation, pending updates by the editors and confirmation by the chairs
PROPOSED: request the Director to advance Turtle, TriG, N-Triples and N-Quads to Proposed Recommendation, pending updates by the editors and confirmation by the chairs ←
16:41:47 <davidwood> +1
David Wood: +1 ←
16:41:48 <ivan> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
16:41:49 <Arnaud> +1
+1 ←
16:41:49 <gkellogg> +1
Gregg Kellogg: +1 ←
16:41:50 <PatH> +1
Patrick Hayes: +1 ←
16:41:50 <TallTed> +1
Ted Thibodeau: +1 ←
16:41:51 <ericP> +1
Eric Prud'hommeaux: +1 ←
16:41:52 <Guus> +1
Guus Schreiber: +1 ←
16:41:52 <pfps> +1
16:41:52 <AndyS> +1
Andy Seaborne: +1 ←
16:41:54 <AZ> +1
Antoine Zimmermann: +1 ←
16:41:54 <Souri> +1
Souripriya Das: +1 ←
16:41:55 <yvesr> +1
Yves Raimond: +1 ←
16:42:01 <gavinc> +1
Gavin Carothers: +1 ←
16:42:01 <markus> +1
Markus Lanthaler: +1 ←
16:42:06 <sandro> +1 (updates as discussed just now)
Sandro Hawke: +1 (updates as discussed just now) ←
16:42:06 <Arnaud> RESOLVED: request the Director to advance Turtle, TriG, N-Triples and N-Quads to Proposed Recommendation, pending updates by the editors and confirmation by the chairs
RESOLVED: request the Director to advance Turtle, TriG, N-Triples and N-Quads to Proposed Recommendation, pending updates by the editors and confirmation by the chairs ←
16:42:10 <tbaker> +1
Thomas Baker: +1 ←
16:42:47 <Arnaud> AndyS: trigg is ready
Andy Seaborne: trigg is ready ←
16:43:02 <Arnaud> Guus: don't see some comments to be reflected but will check
Guus Schreiber: don't see some comments to be reflected but will check ←
16:43:25 <Zakim> -EricP
Zakim IRC Bot: -EricP ←
16:43:27 <Arnaud> topic: Features at risk
16:43:42 <Arnaud> guus: only in the Concepts doc
Guus Schreiber: only in the Concepts doc ←
16:44:14 <Arnaud> ... rdf:HTML and rdf:XMLLiteral datatypes may be made non-normative
... rdf:HTML and rdf:XMLLiteral datatypes may be made non-normative ←
16:44:20 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
16:44:23 <Arnaud> ... could we agree to this now?
... could we agree to this now? ←
16:44:32 <Arnaud> ... would prefer not a long discussion
... would prefer not a long discussion ←
16:44:38 <Arnaud> ivan: don't think we have a choice
Ivan Herman: don't think we have a choice ←
16:44:41 <markus> lets make them non-normative.. basically the only way out
Markus Lanthaler: lets make them non-normative.. basically the only way out ←
16:44:50 <Arnaud> ... we can only make them non-normative
... we can only make them non-normative ←
16:44:58 <Arnaud> ... don't like it but that's the only option
... don't like it but that's the only option ←
16:45:00 <davidwood> yes, ok
David Wood: yes, ok ←
16:45:03 <Arnaud> markus: I agree
Markus Lanthaler: I agree ←
16:45:05 <pfps> my opinion is that I don't have an opinion
Peter Patel-Schneider: my opinion is that I don't have an opinion ←
16:45:15 <Arnaud> ... nothing would change in practice
... nothing would change in practice ←
16:45:24 <AndyS> q+
Andy Seaborne: q+ ←
16:45:34 <ivan> ack ivan
Ivan Herman: ack ivan ←
16:45:37 <Arnaud> PatH: this means RDF processors are not obliged to recognize these, right?
Patrick Hayes: this means RDF processors are not obliged to recognize these, right? ←
16:45:39 <Guus> ack ivan
Guus Schreiber: ack ivan ←
16:45:42 <Arnaud> Guus: correct
Guus Schreiber: correct ←
16:45:52 <Arnaud> AndyS: what does this mean for RDF/XML?
Andy Seaborne: what does this mean for RDF/XML? ←
16:46:04 <PatH> Its already in hell.
Patrick Hayes: Its already in hell. ←
16:46:05 <Guus> ack AndyS
Guus Schreiber: ack AndyS ←
16:46:27 <PatH> +1 to Ivan
Patrick Hayes: +1 to Ivan ←
16:46:27 <Arnaud> ivan: that part can be considered as non-normative as well
Ivan Herman: that part can be considered as non-normative as well ←
16:46:44 <PatH> VOTE VOTE VOTE
Patrick Hayes: VOTE VOTE VOTE ←
16:47:18 <AndyS> http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-rdf-syntax/#section-Syntax-XML-literals
Andy Seaborne: http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-rdf-syntax/#section-Syntax-XML-literals ←
16:47:20 <Arnaud> Guus: I think we can leave that out for now
Guus Schreiber: I think we can leave that out for now ←
16:47:27 <Arnaud> ... let's have a vote
... let's have a vote ←
16:47:41 <Arnaud> sandro: we are not changing rdf/xml
Sandro Hawke: we are not changing rdf/xml ←
16:47:57 <AndyS> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/c73e11e79cfd/rdf-xml/Overview.html#section-Syntax-XML-literals
Andy Seaborne: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/c73e11e79cfd/rdf-xml/Overview.html#section-Syntax-XML-literals ←
16:48:35 <Arnaud> gavinc: I think we're ok, we didn't change anything
Gavin Carothers: I think we're ok, we didn't change anything ←
16:48:35 <sandro> gavin: The RDF/XML spec produces the lexical values, so that part still works
Gavin Carothers: The RDF/XML spec produces the lexical values, so that part still works [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
16:48:52 <PatH> Damn, I should have listened more carefully.
Patrick Hayes: Damn, I should have listened more carefully. ←
16:49:20 <Arnaud> PROPOSED: mark rdf:HTML and rdf:XMLLiteral as non-normative
PROPOSED: mark rdf:HTML and rdf:XMLLiteral as non-normative ←
16:49:25 <PatH> +1
Patrick Hayes: +1 ←
16:49:36 <ivan> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
16:49:38 <markus> +1
Markus Lanthaler: +1 ←
16:49:39 <gkellogg> +1
Gregg Kellogg: +1 ←
16:49:41 <PatH> Seamtnics already says they are non-N
Patrick Hayes: Seamtnics already says they are non-N ←
16:49:41 <tbaker> +1
Thomas Baker: +1 ←
16:49:42 <sandro> +1
Sandro Hawke: +1 ←
16:49:49 <Guus> +1
Guus Schreiber: +1 ←
16:49:50 <davidwood> +1
David Wood: +1 ←
16:49:54 <pfps> +1
16:49:54 <pchampin> +1
16:49:55 <Arnaud> gavinc: oh sh*t, we do refer to rdf:XMLLiteral in RDF/XML
Gavin Carothers: oh sh*t, we do refer to rdf:XMLLiteral in RDF/XML ←
16:49:56 <gavinc> +1
Gavin Carothers: +1 ←
16:49:57 <AZ> +1
Antoine Zimmermann: +1 ←
16:49:59 <TallTed> +1
Ted Thibodeau: +1 ←
16:50:24 <Arnaud> guus: we can deal with that separately
Guus Schreiber: we can deal with that separately ←
16:50:43 <Arnaud> gavinc: it's worse, but ok, let's talk about it later
Gavin Carothers: it's worse, but ok, let's talk about it later ←
16:50:51 <Souri> +1
Souripriya Das: +1 ←
16:50:56 <Arnaud> RESOLVED: mark rdf:HTML and rdf:XMLLiteral as non-normative
RESOLVED: mark rdf:HTML and rdf:XMLLiteral as non-normative ←
16:51:07 <gavinc> <http://random.ioctl.org/#bar> <http://random.ioctl.org/#someProperty> ""^^<http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#XMLLiteral> .
Gavin Carothers: <http://random.ioctl.org/#bar> <http://random.ioctl.org/#someProperty> ""^^<http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#XMLLiteral> . ←
16:51:11 <gavinc> Best test ever
Gavin Carothers: Best test ever ←
16:51:18 <gavinc> works just fine for blank XML nodes ;)
Gavin Carothers: works just fine for blank XML nodes ;) ←
16:51:19 <Arnaud> ivan: I think RDF Schema will need to be changed
Ivan Herman: I think RDF Schema will need to be changed ←
16:51:25 <PatH> semantics says that these types are not required to be recognized.
Patrick Hayes: semantics says that these types are not required to be recognized. ←
16:51:29 <Arnaud> Guus: will take care of it
Guus Schreiber: will take care of it ←
16:52:04 <davidwood> Thanks, Markus.
David Wood: Thanks, Markus. ←
16:52:17 <Arnaud> topic: RDF Schema
16:52:23 <pfps> semantics also says nothing about these two datatypes
Peter Patel-Schneider: semantics also says nothing about these two datatypes ←
16:52:28 <Arnaud> guus: draft ready, one review by ivan
Guus Schreiber: draft ready, one review by ivan ←
16:52:42 <Arnaud> ... one issue with the references to primer
... one issue with the references to primer ←
16:52:43 <gavinc> Ahh... right the LEXICAL space was Canonical XML not the value space
Gavin Carothers: Ahh... right the LEXICAL space was Canonical XML not the value space ←
16:52:54 <Arnaud> ... ivan thinks we should just drop the ref
... ivan thinks we should just drop the ref ←
16:53:07 <Arnaud> ... will make the old primer invisible
... will make the old primer invisible ←
16:53:43 <pfps> I think that we should just drop the reference in any case.
Peter Patel-Schneider: I think that we should just drop the reference in any case. ←
16:53:47 <PatH> Is there anything in the old primer that is now MISleading?
Patrick Hayes: Is there anything in the old primer that is now MISleading? ←
16:53:54 <Arnaud> ivan: a new release with a ref to an old primer is going to be confusing
Ivan Herman: a new release with a ref to an old primer is going to be confusing ←
16:53:59 <PatH> Ah the hell with it. Drop it.
Patrick Hayes: Ah the hell with it. Drop it. ←
16:54:00 <markus> +1 to what Ivan just said
Markus Lanthaler: +1 to what Ivan just said ←
16:54:06 <AZ> agree with Ivan
Antoine Zimmermann: agree with Ivan ←
16:54:10 <PatH> +1 to Ivan.
Patrick Hayes: +1 to Ivan. ←
16:54:15 <Arnaud> Guus: ok, let's remove them then
Guus Schreiber: ok, let's remove them then ←
16:55:06 <Arnaud> action: guus to remove reference to old primer from XML Schema
ACTION: guus to remove reference to old primer from XML Schema ←
16:55:06 <trackbot> Created ACTION-332 - Remove reference to old primer from xml schema [on Guus Schreiber - due 2013-12-18].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-332 - Remove reference to old primer from xml schema [on Guus Schreiber - due 2013-12-18]. ←
16:56:06 <Arnaud> PROPOSED: request Director to move RDF schema to Proposed Edited Rec
PROPOSED: request Director to move RDF schema to Proposed Edited Rec ←
16:56:11 <pfps> RDF Schema is ready to go, IMNSHO, after dropping the ref
Peter Patel-Schneider: RDF Schema is ready to go, IMNSHO, after dropping the ref ←
16:56:24 <PatH> Edited/editors
Patrick Hayes: Edited/editors ←
16:56:24 <pfps> +1
16:56:24 <ivan> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
16:56:27 <PatH> +1
Patrick Hayes: +1 ←
16:56:28 <gavinc> +1
Gavin Carothers: +1 ←
16:56:29 <gkellogg> +1
Gregg Kellogg: +1 ←
16:56:30 <pchampin> +1
16:56:31 <davidwood> +1
David Wood: +1 ←
16:56:31 <yvesr> +1
Yves Raimond: +1 ←
16:56:33 <Souri> +1
Souripriya Das: +1 ←
16:56:33 <TallTed> +1
Ted Thibodeau: +1 ←
16:56:39 <Arnaud> RESOLVED: request Director to move RDF schema to Proposed Edited Rec
RESOLVED: request Director to move RDF schema to Proposed Edited Rec ←
16:56:43 <tbaker> +1
Thomas Baker: +1 ←
16:56:48 <AZ> Isn't RDF Schema already a Proposed Edited Rec?
Antoine Zimmermann: Isn't RDF Schema already a Proposed Edited Rec? ←
16:56:54 <Arnaud> topic: RDF/XML
16:56:55 <sandro> +1
Sandro Hawke: +1 ←
16:57:18 <PatH> AZ, it certianly is now, anyway:-)
Patrick Hayes: AZ, it certianly is now, anyway:-) ←
16:57:24 <Arnaud> Guus: changes section list the changes
Guus Schreiber: changes section list the changes ←
16:57:26 <AZ> It's what the current version says
Antoine Zimmermann: It's what the current version says ←
16:57:41 <gkellogg> Update MT EARL report: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-mt/reports/index.html
Gregg Kellogg: Updated MT EARL report: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-mt/reports/index.html ←
16:57:50 <Arnaud> ... main issue is with this XMLLiteral stuff
... main issue is with this XMLLiteral stuff ←
16:57:51 <gkellogg> s/Update/Updated/
16:58:03 <Arnaud> ... don't think we can make a decision this week
... don't think we can make a decision this week ←
16:58:24 <PatH> :)
Patrick Hayes: :) ←
16:59:06 <pchampin> sorry, I have to go; bye all
Pierre-Antoine Champin: sorry, I have to go; bye all ←
17:00:05 <Arnaud> action: gavin to make proposal to change RDF/XML to deal with rdf:XMLLiteral
ACTION: gavin to make proposal to change RDF/XML to deal with rdf:XMLLiteral ←
17:00:05 <trackbot> Created ACTION-333 - Make proposal to change rdf/xml to deal with rdf:xmlliteral [on Gavin Carothers - due 2013-12-18].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-333 - Make proposal to change rdf/xml to deal with rdf:xmlliteral [on Gavin Carothers - due 2013-12-18]. ←
17:00:09 <PatH> Boring is good.
Patrick Hayes: Boring is good. ←
17:00:30 <Arnaud> guus: ivan, could you review the changes?
Guus Schreiber: ivan, could you review the changes? ←
17:00:43 <Zakim> -Souri
Zakim IRC Bot: -Souri ←
17:00:44 <Arnaud> ivan: can't do it until next week
Ivan Herman: can't do it until next week ←
17:01:03 <Arnaud> ivan: let me know when the changes have been made
Ivan Herman: let me know when the changes have been made ←
17:01:24 <Arnaud> Guus: forgot to request for extension to 90mn for today's call
Guus Schreiber: forgot to request for extension to 90mn for today's call ←
17:01:31 <Arnaud> ... hope everyone can stay
... hope everyone can stay ←
17:01:40 <Arnaud> topic: Namespace document
17:01:49 <Arnaud> Guus: not sure what needs to be done
Guus Schreiber: not sure what needs to be done ←
17:02:09 <Arnaud> ... will get to it later
... will get to it later ←
17:02:17 <Arnaud> topic: What's new in RDF 1.1
17:02:43 <pfps> I think that David has done a great job!
Peter Patel-Schneider: I think that David has done a great job! ←
17:03:02 <Arnaud> davidwood: trying to make it useful to developers
David Wood: trying to make it useful to developers ←
17:03:21 <AZ> The document looks good in its current form
Antoine Zimmermann: The document looks good in its current form ←
17:03:26 <Arnaud> ... my feeling is we should make this a FPWD as quickly as possible
... my feeling is we should make this a FPWD as quickly as possible ←
17:03:46 <Arnaud> ... appendix A in concepts is out of date
... appendix A in concepts is out of date ←
17:04:16 <Arnaud> ... need to update that with a pointer to this doc
... need to update that with a pointer to this doc ←
17:04:18 <pfps> +1 to pointing, but can this be done from a PR to a FPWD?
Peter Patel-Schneider: +1 to pointing, but can this be done from a PR to a FPWD? ←
17:04:27 <sandro> yeah, if it's non-normative
Sandro Hawke: yeah, if it's non-normative ←
17:04:49 <davidwood> Thanks, pfps
David Wood: Thanks, pfps ←
17:05:21 <Arnaud> PROPOSED: remove appendix A from Concepts doc and replace with a pointer to the What's new in RDF 1.1 doc
PROPOSED: remove appendix A from Concepts doc and replace with a pointer to the What's new in RDF 1.1 doc ←
17:05:23 <pfps> +1
17:05:28 <PatH> +1
Patrick Hayes: +1 ←
17:05:29 <yvesr> +1
Yves Raimond: +1 ←
17:05:29 <davidwood> +1
David Wood: +1 ←
17:05:31 <markus> +1
Markus Lanthaler: +1 ←
17:05:31 <Guus> +1
Guus Schreiber: +1 ←
17:05:35 <tbaker> +1 - nice job
Thomas Baker: +1 - nice job ←
17:05:38 <ivan> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
17:05:40 <AZ> +1
Antoine Zimmermann: +1 ←
17:05:40 <AndyS> +1
Andy Seaborne: +1 ←
17:05:43 <sandro> +1
Sandro Hawke: +1 ←
17:05:51 <TallTed> +1
Ted Thibodeau: +1 ←
17:06:04 <gkellogg> _1
Gregg Kellogg: _1 ←
17:06:06 <gkellogg> +1
Gregg Kellogg: +1 ←
17:06:22 <Arnaud> RESOLVED: remove appendix A from Concepts doc and replace with a pointer to the What's new in RDF 1.1 doc
RESOLVED: remove appendix A from Concepts doc and replace with a pointer to the What's new in RDF 1.1 doc ←
17:06:40 <PatH> 1_1=1 Klein group.
Patrick Hayes: 1_1=1 Klein group. ←
17:06:52 <Arnaud> PROPOSED: publish What's new in RDF 1.1 as a FPWD
PROPOSED: publish What's new in RDF 1.1 as a FPWD ←
17:06:56 <PatH> +1
Patrick Hayes: +1 ←
17:06:57 <yvesr> _1
Yves Raimond: _1 ←
17:06:57 <AndyS> +1
Andy Seaborne: +1 ←
17:06:58 <davidwood> +1
David Wood: +1 ←
17:06:59 <yvesr> +1
Yves Raimond: +1 ←
17:06:59 <AZ> +1
Antoine Zimmermann: +1 ←
17:07:01 <gkellogg> +1
Gregg Kellogg: +1 ←
17:07:05 <tbaker> +1
Thomas Baker: +1 ←
17:07:10 <pfps> +1, even in the current form
Peter Patel-Schneider: +1, even in the current form ←
17:07:22 <sandro> +1
Sandro Hawke: +1 ←
17:07:23 <markus> +0
Markus Lanthaler: +0 ←
17:07:45 <Arnaud> sandro: we could just publish it directly as a note
Sandro Hawke: we could just publish it directly as a note ←
17:07:50 <Arnaud> davidwood: not ready for that
David Wood: not ready for that ←
17:07:59 <Arnaud> Guus: respec doesn't handle that well
Guus Schreiber: respec doesn't handle that well ←
17:08:18 <tbaker> Maybe point to What's new from the Primer?
Thomas Baker: Maybe point to What's new from the Primer? ←
17:08:19 <TallTed> +1
Ted Thibodeau: +1 ←
17:08:41 <Arnaud> RESOLVED: publish What's new in RDF 1.1 as a FPWD
RESOLVED: publish What's new in RDF 1.1 as a FPWD ←
17:09:14 <Arnaud> davidwood: what's needed to get this to be published as a Note next?
David Wood: what's needed to get this to be published as a Note next? ←
17:09:45 <Arnaud> Guus: suggest you plan for Dec 17, which is the last publication possible before the holiday break
Guus Schreiber: suggest you plan for Dec 17, which is the last publication possible before the holiday break ←
17:10:18 <Arnaud> Guus: can send the publication request when ready
Guus Schreiber: can send the publication request when ready ←
17:10:30 <Arnaud> davidwood: ok, will send a note to the WG when ready
David Wood: ok, will send a note to the WG when ready ←
17:10:31 <PatH> Who is the lady?
Patrick Hayes: Who is the lady? ←
17:10:37 <Arnaud> topic: Primer
17:11:42 <Arnaud> guus: markus thinks the json-ld example should be moved but that would make the text really long
Guus Schreiber: markus thinks the json-ld example should be moved but that would make the text really long ←
17:11:51 <Arnaud> ... would welcome WG input on this
... would welcome WG input on this ←
17:12:17 <Arnaud> markus: doesn't think this needs to make the text much longer
Markus Lanthaler: doesn't think this needs to make the text much longer ←
17:12:35 <PatH> +1
Patrick Hayes: +1 ←
17:12:54 <Arnaud> ... but showing json-ld earlier in the doc would make it more visible to people who are familiar with json
... but showing json-ld earlier in the doc would make it more visible to people who are familiar with json ←
17:13:12 <Arnaud> guus: not opposed if people think it's a good idea
Guus Schreiber: not opposed if people think it's a good idea ←
17:13:38 <Arnaud> AndyS: I think this deflects the point of the document with different syntaxes
Andy Seaborne: I think this deflects the point of the document with different syntaxes ←
17:13:51 <Arnaud> Guus: propose we leave it as an open issue for now
Guus Schreiber: propose we leave it as an open issue for now ←
17:14:12 <Arnaud> markus: that's ok
Markus Lanthaler: that's ok ←
17:14:22 <Arnaud> ... you would keep it in the old place
... you would keep it in the old place ←
17:14:36 <Guus> q?
Guus Schreiber: q? ←
17:14:44 <gavinc> +q
Gavin Carothers: +q ←
17:14:53 <Arnaud> davidwood: it's hard to know in advance which serialization format will really take off
David Wood: it's hard to know in advance which serialization format will really take off ←
17:15:11 <Arnaud> ... years ago people thought it was going to be RDF/XML
... years ago people thought it was going to be RDF/XML ←
17:15:21 <Arnaud> ... not sure what it will be in 5 years from now
... not sure what it will be in 5 years from now ←
17:15:33 <PatH> NOt RDFa.
Patrick Hayes: NOt RDFa. ←
17:15:40 <yvesr> q+
Yves Raimond: q+ ←
17:16:02 <sandro> +1 move on
Sandro Hawke: +1 move on ←
17:16:07 <yvesr> q-
Yves Raimond: q- ←
17:16:14 <Arnaud> ... given the interest in json, would prefer not to have it pushed to the back of the document
... given the interest in json, would prefer not to have it pushed to the back of the document ←
17:16:30 <Arnaud> guus: happy to discuss this later in January to get it right
Guus Schreiber: happy to discuss this later in January to get it right ←
17:16:38 <Arnaud> ... just don't think we should spend time on this now
... just don't think we should spend time on this now ←
17:16:41 <PatH> HOw about (q) for: I have something to say but will keep quiet for now.
Patrick Hayes: HOw about (q) for: I have something to say but will keep quiet for now. ←
17:17:01 <Arnaud> gavinc: should use SPARQL GRAPH syntax in the document
Gavin Carothers: should use SPARQL GRAPH syntax in the document ←
17:17:03 <AndyS> ack gavinc
Andy Seaborne: ack gavinc ←
17:17:10 <sandro> +1 use the GRAPH keyword and SPARQL style TriG
Sandro Hawke: +1 use the GRAPH keyword and SPARQL style TriG ←
17:17:47 <davidwood> +1 to use the GRAPH keyword and SPARQL style TriG, as per Sandro
David Wood: +1 to use the GRAPH keyword and SPARQL style TriG, as per Sandro ←
17:17:47 <gavinc> -1 to removing multi graph example
Gavin Carothers: -1 to removing multi graph example ←
17:17:58 <Arnaud> guus: ok
Guus Schreiber: ok ←
17:18:07 <yvesr> -1 as well - i think we can make it work with what's been proposed on the ml
Yves Raimond: -1 as well - i think we can make it work with what's been proposed on the ml ←
17:18:27 <Arnaud> guus: would like to have a FWD even if incomplete before Xmas
Guus Schreiber: would like to have a FPWD even if incomplete before Xmas ←
17:18:39 <Arnaud> s/FWD/FPWD/
17:19:02 <Arnaud> ... can we have an agreement on that, pending a proposal we will make to the WG?
... can we have an agreement on that, pending a proposal we will make to the WG? ←
17:19:07 <PatH> Hard to quarrel with that :-)
Patrick Hayes: Hard to quarrel with that :-) ←
17:20:07 <Arnaud> PROPOSED: publish Primer as FPWD, pending a proposal from the editors to provide a new multi-graph example to be used
PROPOSED: publish Primer as FPWD, pending a proposal from the editors to provide a new multi-graph example to be used ←
17:20:20 <AZ> +1
Antoine Zimmermann: +1 ←
17:20:22 <PatH> which is acceptable to the WG, and failing that, the example will be omitted.
Patrick Hayes: which is acceptable to the WG, and failing that, the example will be omitted. ←
17:20:24 <Arnaud> guus: if people don't accept the proposal we won't publish
Guus Schreiber: if people don't accept the proposal we won't publish ←
17:20:24 <PatH> +1
Patrick Hayes: +1 ←
17:20:36 <ivan> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
17:20:39 <pfps> +1
17:20:39 <tbaker> +1
Thomas Baker: +1 ←
17:20:44 <gavinc> -0.9 INCLUDE a multi graph issue even if it's controversial
Gavin Carothers: -0.9 INCLUDE a multi graph issue even if it's controversial ←
17:20:56 <sandro> +1
Sandro Hawke: +1 ←
17:21:06 <TallTed> +1
Ted Thibodeau: +1 ←
17:21:13 <Arnaud> guus: we need to publish the doc so we can have a reference
Guus Schreiber: we need to publish the doc so we can have a reference ←
17:21:15 <sandro> (this is a FPWD *not* the Final Note)
Sandro Hawke: (this is a FPWD *not* the Final Note) ←
17:21:28 <markus> -0.5
Markus Lanthaler: -0.5 ←
17:21:29 <Arnaud> it's just a FPWD so we can still change it later
it's just a FPWD so we can still change it later ←
17:21:40 <Arnaud> +1
+1 ←
17:21:46 <markus> I got that it's just a FPWD.. the point is that we can publish the final note directly
Markus Lanthaler: I got that it's just a FPWD.. the point is that we can publish the final note directly ←
17:21:49 <Arnaud> RESOLVED: publish Primer as FPWD, pending a proposal from the editors to provide a new multi-graph example to be used
RESOLVED: publish Primer as FPWD, pending a proposal from the editors to provide a new multi-graph example to be used ←
17:21:52 <markus> no need to rush now
Markus Lanthaler: no need to rush now ←
17:21:58 <AndyS> +1
Andy Seaborne: +1 ←
17:22:14 <Arnaud> topic: Dataset Semantics
17:22:23 <Arnaud> Guus: was hoping for a draft
Guus Schreiber: was hoping for a draft ←
17:22:46 <Arnaud> AZ: almost finished, probably can publish a new version tomorrow
Antoine Zimmermann: almost finished, probably can publish a new version tomorrow ←
17:23:19 <Arnaud> ... was trying to make a concrete proposal on the datatype map issue
... was trying to make a concrete proposal on the datatype map issue ←
17:23:25 <PatH> I have to leave strictly at the half hour to catch a plane.
Patrick Hayes: I have to leave strictly at the half hour to catch a plane. ←
17:23:28 <Arnaud> guus: would rather publish it
Guus Schreiber: would rather publish it ←
17:23:55 <Arnaud> ... we may have to take an email vote on this
... we may have to take an email vote on this ←
17:23:59 <PatH> Are we voting here for a FPWD?
Patrick Hayes: Are we voting here for a FPWD? ←
17:24:17 <PatH> If so +1 from me now.
Patrick Hayes: If so +1 from me now. ←
17:24:20 <Arnaud> ... that would allow us to still make the Tuesday deadline
... that would allow us to still make the Tuesday deadline ←
17:24:32 <Arnaud> AZ: ok
Antoine Zimmermann: ok ←
17:24:51 <Arnaud> topic: AOB
17:25:21 <PatH> Thanks.
Patrick Hayes: Thanks. ←
17:25:27 <AZ> Zakim, who is noisy?
Antoine Zimmermann: Zakim, who is noisy? ←
17:25:37 <Zakim> AZ, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: markus (58%), PatH (5%), Guus_Schreiber (69%), AndyS (61%), Arnaud (4%)
Zakim IRC Bot: AZ, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: markus (58%), PatH (5%), Guus_Schreiber (69%), AndyS (61%), Arnaud (4%) ←
17:25:58 <PatH> now muted
Patrick Hayes: now muted ←
17:26:16 <Arnaud> guus: would like to know where people stand on the datatype map issue at this point
Guus Schreiber: would like to know where people stand on the datatype map issue at this point ←
17:26:23 <AZ> q+
Antoine Zimmermann: q+ ←
17:26:30 <pfps> I am perfectly happy with this way of proceeding - go forward over objection
Peter Patel-Schneider: I am perfectly happy with this way of proceeding - go forward over objection ←
17:26:40 <Arnaud> AZ: sent a proposal for some changes to Concepts and Semantics
Antoine Zimmermann: sent a proposal for some changes to Concepts and Semantics ←
17:27:01 <Arnaud> ... found that there are very few places where changes need to be made to satisfy my needs
... found that there are very few places where changes need to be made to satisfy my needs ←
17:27:19 <Arnaud> guus: ok but if editors don't think the changes are appropriate we can't force them
Guus Schreiber: ok but if editors don't think the changes are appropriate we can't force them ←
17:27:42 <PatH> FWIW, I volunteer to draft one paragraph for Semantics which I think should resolve some of Michael's and Antoine's pain and not require any changes to other documents.
Patrick Hayes: FWIW, I volunteer to draft one paragraph for Semantics which I think should resolve some of Michael's and Antoine's pain and not require any changes to other documents. ←
17:27:46 <Arnaud> AZ: this is my last chance to get this done
Antoine Zimmermann: this is my last chance to get this done ←
17:27:53 <Arnaud> PatH: haven't had a chance to look at them yet
Patrick Hayes: haven't had a chance to look at them yet ←
17:28:09 <PatH> But I will look at Antoine's suggestions first and take them into account.
Patrick Hayes: But I will look at Antoine's suggestions first and take them into account. ←
17:28:27 <Arnaud> markus: is that really changing anything?
Markus Lanthaler: is that really changing anything? ←
17:28:42 <Arnaud> ... or just providing a definition to be reused?
... or just providing a definition to be reused? ←
17:29:23 <Arnaud> PatH: think Michael's objection is related to potential substantive changes required in his document
Patrick Hayes: think Michael's objection is related to potential substantive changes required in his document ←
17:29:48 <sandro> "his document" being OWL 2 RDF-Based Semantics
Sandro Hawke: "his document" being OWL 2 RDF-Based Semantics ←
17:29:53 <Arnaud> ... but I will look at it and let the WG know
... but I will look at it and let the WG know ←
17:30:06 <Zakim> -yvesr
Zakim IRC Bot: -yvesr ←
17:30:23 <PatH> East bay, Hayward, mostly. BUt bay area.
Patrick Hayes: East bay, Hayward, mostly. BUt bay area. ←
17:31:03 <Arnaud> AZ: really very few changes are needed
Antoine Zimmermann: really very few changes are needed ←
17:31:47 <PatH> I think Antoine and I are converging.
Patrick Hayes: I think Antoine and I are converging. ←
17:32:03 <Arnaud> ... the idea is to add two definitions that can be reused
... the idea is to add two definitions that can be reused ←
17:32:25 <pfps> Pat's changes appear to be more minimal - which would be preferable.
Peter Patel-Schneider: Pat's changes appear to be more minimal - which would be preferable. ←
17:32:30 <PatH> Gotta go.
Patrick Hayes: Gotta go. ←
17:32:32 <Arnaud> Guus: one big stumbling block: one more implementation of the semantics tests
Guus Schreiber: one big stumbling block: one more implementation of the semantics tests ←
17:32:45 <Zakim> -PatH
Zakim IRC Bot: -PatH ←
17:32:48 <Arnaud> ... editors, please have the documents ready for next week
... editors, please have the documents ready for next week ←
17:32:59 <Arnaud> * ADJOURNED *
* ADJOURNED * ←
17:33:11 <PatH> OK. Peter, I will be working inside respec, can you help wioth the final cut?
Patrick Hayes: OK. Peter, I will be working inside respec, can you help wioth the final cut? ←
17:33:13 <Zakim> -Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: -Ivan ←
17:33:22 <Zakim> -AndyS
Zakim IRC Bot: -AndyS ←
17:33:23 <Zakim> -AZ
Zakim IRC Bot: -AZ ←
17:33:24 <Zakim> -Arnaud
Zakim IRC Bot: -Arnaud ←
17:34:35 <Zakim> -pfps
Zakim IRC Bot: -pfps ←
17:34:45 <Guus> trackbot, end meeting
Guus Schreiber: trackbot, end meeting ←
17:34:45 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, list attendees ←
17:34:45 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Guus_Schreiber, GavinC, pfps, TallTed, pchampin, AndyS, Arnaud, EricP, yvesr, Ivan, +33.4.77.42.aaaa, AZ, gkellogg, David_Wood, Sandro,
Zakim IRC Bot: As of this point the attendees have been Guus_Schreiber, GavinC, pfps, TallTed, pchampin, AndyS, Arnaud, EricP, yvesr, Ivan, +33.4.77.42.aaaa, AZ, gkellogg, David_Wood, Sandro, ←
17:34:48 <Zakim> ... markus, Souri, PatH, EricP
Zakim IRC Bot: ... markus, Souri, PatH, EricP ←
17:34:53 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, please draft minutes ←
17:34:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/12/11-rdf-wg-minutes.html trackbot
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/12/11-rdf-wg-minutes.html trackbot ←
17:34:54 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, bye ←
17:34:54 <RRSAgent> I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2013/12/11-rdf-wg-actions.rdf :
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2013/12/11-rdf-wg-actions.rdf : ←
<RRSAgent> ACTION: Guus to respond to Greg Williams [1]
ACTION: Guus to respond to Greg Williams [1] ←
17:34:54 <RRSAgent> ACTION: guus to remove reference to old primer from XML Schema [2]
ACTION: guus to remove reference to old primer from XML Schema [2] ←
17:34:54 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/12/11-rdf-wg-irc#T16-55-06
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/12/11-rdf-wg-irc#T16-55-06 ←
17:34:54 <RRSAgent> ACTION: gavin to make proposal to change RDF/XML to deal with rdf:XMLLiteral [3]
ACTION: gavin to make proposal to change RDF/XML to deal with rdf:XMLLiteral [3] ←
17:34:54 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/12/11-rdf-wg-irc#T17-00-05
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/12/11-rdf-wg-irc#T17-00-05 ←
17:35:07 <Zakim> -markus
Zakim IRC Bot: -markus ←
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