Talk:Q8205328

Autodescription — artificial physical object (Q8205328)

description: physical object made or shaped by humans

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Classification of the class artificial physical object (Q8205328)  

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Parent classes (classes of items which contain this one item)

artificial physical object (Q8205328)
- physical object (Q223557)
  - material entity (Q53617407)
    - independent continuant (Q53617489)
      - continuant (Q103940464)
        entity (Q35120) ⊸
  - concrete object (Q4406616)
    - object (Q488383) ^(#)→
- artificial object (Q16686448)
  - ^→(#) object (Q488383)
    - entity (Q35120) ⊸

Subclasses (classes which contain special kinds of items of this class)

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Data to provide for this type of item

Title	ID	Data type	Description	Examples	Inverse
instance of	P31	Item	instance of: class or type of the object. Possible values: one of the classes listed at § Types of visual artworks (or a subclass of those), e.g. painting (Q3305213), a subclass of group of works (Q17489659) etc.	Mona Lisa <instance of> painting	-
creator	P170	Item	creator, author, visual artist and software developer: maker of this creative work or other object (where no more specific property exists)	The Potato Eaters <creator> Vincent van Gogh	notable work
creator's signature	P7457	Commons media file	signature: image of the artist's mark on the work that identifies their work	Adam <creator's signature> Duerermonogramm Adam 1507.jpg	-
title	P1476	Monolingual text	original title and title: published name of a work, such as a newspaper article, a literary work, piece of music, a website, or a performance work	Mona Lisa <title> La Gioconda	-
inception	P571	Point in time	date of establishment, founding and date of the first award: time when an entity begins to exist; for date of official opening use P1619	Mona Lisa <inception> 1500s	-
depicts	P180	Item	depicting object: entity visually depicted in an image, literarily described in a work, or otherwise incorporated into an audiovisual or other medium; see also P921, 'main subject'	The Balcony	depicted by
shown with features	P1354	Item	secondary features depicted in a work. Use as qualifier for "depicts" (P180)	Mona Lisa <shown with features> waist-length hair	-
depicts Iconclass notation	P1257	String	Iconclass: Iconclass code depicted in an artwork, for linking Iconclass codes with their corresponding artistic themes or concepts, use P1256 (Iconclass notation)	The Milkmaid <depicts Iconclass notation> 47I22311	-
made from material	P186	Item	material: material the subject or the object is made of or derived from (do not confuse with P10672 which is used for processes)	Mona Lisa <made from material> oil paint	-
fabrication method	P2079	Item	manufacturing process, production, process and building method: method, process or technique used to grow, cook, weave, build, assemble, manufacture the item	silk <fabrication method> sericulture	-
height	P2048	Quantity	height, human height and body length: vertical length of an entity	Mona Lisa <height> 77 centimetre	-
width	P2049	Quantity	width and road width: width of an object	Mona Lisa <width> 53 centimetre	-
thickness	P2610	Quantity	thickness: extent from one surface to the opposite	1 Krona - Gustaf V <thickness> 1 millimetre	-
commissioned by	P88	Item	commissioner: person or organization that commissioned this work	Arc de Triomphe <commissioned by> Napoleon	-
location of creation	P1071	Item	place where the item was conceived or made; where applicable, location of final assembly	Mona Lisa <location of creation> Florence	-
owned by	P127	Item	proprietor, property and owned by: owner of the subject	Choupette <owned by> Karl Lagerfeld	owner of
coordinates of the point of view	P1259	Geographic coordinates	point from which the scene depicted by the element is seen (element can be a photo, a painting, etc.)	A Sunday Afternoon on the Island of La Grande Jatte <coordinates of the point of view> 48° 53′ 12.00″ N 2° 16′ 05.00″ E	-
collection	P195	Item	collection and library collection: art, museum, archival, or bibliographic collection the subject is part of	Rosetta Stone <collection> British Museum	-
inventory number	P217	String	accession number: identifier for a physical object or a set of physical objects in a collection	The Night Watch <inventory number> SK-C-5	-
catalog code	P528	String	catalog code: catalog name of an object, use with qualifier P972	The Night Watch <catalog code> 2016	-
significant event	P793	Item	key event: significant or notable events associated with the subject	Mona Lisa <significant event> acquisition	-
location	P276	Item	physical location: location of the object, structure or event. In the case of an administrative entity as containing item use P131. For statistical entities use P8138. In the case of a geographic entity use P706. Use P7153 for locations associated with the object	Mona Lisa <location> Louvre Museum	contains
coordinate location	P625	Geographic coordinates	geographic coordinates: geocoordinates of the subject. For Earth, please note that only WGS84 coordinating system is supported at the moment	Mount Everest <coordinate location> 27° 59′ 17.00″ N 86° 55′ 31.00″ E	-
inscription	P1684	Monolingual text	inscription and epigraph: inscriptions, markings and signatures on an object	Shugborough inscription <inscription> O U O S V A V V	-
exhibition history	P608	Item	exhibition: exhibitions where the item is or was displayed	The Virgin and Child with Saint Anne <exhibition history> Saint Anne, Leonardo da Vinci’s ultimate masterpiece	-
image	P18	Commons media file	illustration and image: image of relevant illustration of the subject; if available, also use more specific properties (sample: coat of arms image, locator map, flag image, signature image, logo image, collage image)	Mona Lisa <image> Mona Lisa, by Leonardo da Vinci, from C2RMF retouched.jpg	-
image with frame	P7420	Commons media file	picture frame: media file of painting or other 2D artwork with its frame or more of its surroundings included	Mona Lisa <image with frame> Leonardo da vinci, la gioconda, 1503-06 circa.jpg	-
image of backside	P7417	Commons media file	image of the reverse side of this "2D" object	The Oxbow <image of backside> View from Mount Holyoke, Northampton, Massachusetts, after a Thunderstorm—The Oxbow MET DP-12550-002.jpg	-
genre	P136	Item	genre, by genre and award for best album (genre): creative work's genre or an artist's field of work (P101). Use main subject (P921) to relate creative works to their topic	Mona Lisa <genre> portrait	-
movement	P135	Item	cultural movement: literary, artistic, scientific or philosophical movement or scene associated with this person or work. For political ideologies use P1142.	Max Horkheimer <movement> Frankfurt School	-
main subject	P921	Item	topic, matter and subject: primary topic of a work (see also P180: depicts)	Mona Lisa <main subject> Lisa del Giocondo	statement is subject of
based on	P144	Item	based on: the work(s) or inputs used as the basis for subject item; for fictional analog use P1074	A <based on> Α	derivative work
inspired by	P941	Item	artistic inspiration and inspired: work, human, place or event which inspired this creative work or fictional entity	The Matrix <inspired by> Alice's Adventures in Wonderland	-

See also

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Item label

I'm going to change the English item label from "artefact" to "equipment", so it will match its category Category:Equipment (Q6063063). That's also the name used in the linked enwiki category at en:Category:Equipment and the Commons category. "Artefact" in English often refers to items studied in archaeology, and we would need to use something like "useful artefact" to exclude works of art from the scope. Ghouston (talk) 10:47, 28 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Are you sure that category should be used with this item, though? Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 10:49, 28 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Well, it has been merged from another item that had the label "equipment" and previously linked to the category. Google translate suggests that the articles are about right. Ghouston (talk) 10:51, 28 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Why should we "exclude works of art from the scope"? In 2016 artificial physical object (Q15222213) was merged by Andreasmperu into this item (artificial physical object (Q8205328)). artificial physical object (Q15222213) was the result of the discussion at Wikidata talk:WikiProject Visual arts/Item structure#Root item I had with Zolo in 2013. It was well defined and explicitly designed to comprise "useful artefacts" and "works of art" and not to distinguish between them. polyptych (Q1278452) and sculpture (Q860861) are still subclass of (P279) of this item (artificial physical object (Q8205328)). As in 2013 I don't think it is a good idea to strictly separate "works of art" and objects that aren't "art" in the classification system. It's not possible to define art that way it is needed for our classification system here and I don't think it is of any value to do so.

Anyway, the Commons category system for objects is the last source I'd use for the labels, descriptions and classification of objects. There are exemptions of course, but wide parts of the Commons classification through categories is quite messy. --Marsupium (talk) 14:25, 28 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I can understand your doubts about the Commons category system. However, categories for "equipment" can also be found on many Wikipedias, including en:Category:Equipment, and I don't think that pure artworks (or toys) would be in scope for it. Category:Artificial objects (Q26991679) is a broader category that includes those things, along with buildings. Although, the enwiki category system seems to be even messier than Commons, as far as I can see. Perhaps this item has been hijacked at some point, I don't know. Ghouston (talk) 11:09, 29 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

artificial object (Q16686448) also exists, maybe it should be linked with Category:Artificial objects (Q26991679), although I'm not sure if the latter is supposed to include non-material entities. Ghouston (talk) 11:20, 29 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

However the current state was reached, with perhaps an inappropriate merge, it seems that an item for "artificial physical object" is now missing. I suppose it's necessary to either create a new item or undo some of the merging. Ghouston (talk) 11:33, 29 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Assuming that "equipment" is a meaningful concept that should have an item in Wikidata, then the obvious thing to do is undo the merge by User:D1gggg of equipment (Q29960888) into this item. Ghouston (talk) 12:17, 29 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not surprised that the category classification situation on enwiki isn't better. Too bad! Best we can do is not to use it as a guide I think. I'd like to recommend Art & Architecture Thesaurus (Q611299) linked with Art & Architecture Thesaurus ID (P1014) again!

Yes, I think artificial object (Q16686448) also includes non-material things, see Talk:Q16686448#Subclass!

I don't really overview the situation, but if there isn't a "artificial physical object" item, I'd be happy with a restoration on whatever way including undoing of former merges. --Marsupium (talk) 17:39, 29 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, I'll revert the merge with equipment (Q29960888), which will put this item back to its original state. Ghouston (talk) 06:33, 30 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

AAT doesn't seem to have an identical entry for this particular concept. It fits somewhere under their "Objects Facet" 300264092, which includes practically everything, taking some of the items from other groups including buildings, furnishings and equipment, and Visual and Verbal Communication. Ghouston (talk) 07:36, 30 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Wrong approach

We should use more properties, not to pick definitions.

⟨ subject ⟩ use Search ⟨ protection ⟩

⟨ subject ⟩ use Search ⟨ comfort ⟩

d1g (talk) 15:44, 31 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

"comfort" and "protection" are universal and would exist in many languages, while "Furnishing" isn't necessary in every language. d1g (talk) 15:55, 31 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Does a concept need to be described in a single word in every known language before we can use it? If a Wiki in a particular language isn't interested in a concept, it can refrain from creating an article about it and then needs no link to Wikidata. Wiktionary has a definition of furniture as "Large movable item(s), usually in a room, which enhance(s) the room's characteristics, functionally or decoratively." It would be harder for me to work out what "items that provide comfort" would include. Ghouston (talk) 11:05, 2 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

1. @User:Ghouston: My message in reply to your "we would need to use something like "useful artefact" to exclude works of art from the scope"

This is not efficient at Wikidata, we use even more properties, not to define artificial exclusions/inclusions

Works of art are physical objects in many worldviews and cultures, proper way is to filter on presence or absence of property has use (P366)

2. Current label "artificial physical object" is not ambiguous. d1g (talk) 18:19, 19 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Ghouston: Another example with clocks made by famous goldsmith (Q211423) - they would be work of art and functional clocks at the same time. d1g (talk) 18:25, 19 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

That discussion about "useful artefacts" now applies to equipment (Q29960888), not to this item. Physical works of art should be included in "artificial physical object". Ghouston (talk) 01:31, 20 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Ghouston: I agree, but

It isn't helpful to change labels to fit specific agreements on Wikidata (as opposed to what every professional would use for them-self in their vocabulary)

Or at least simple senses from dictionaries.

Simply use more properties, not just P31 and P279 all the time.

In some sense it is much useful to use simple word in many languages at 1000 items than complex words in one language at fewer items.

If you start with complex words edits will be slow. d1g (talk) 20:48, 28 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

M not able to understand how to contribute.... So many links... Too complicated Ksupriya91 (talk) 11:19, 2 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Autodescription — artificial physical object (Q8205328)

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