User talk:Peter coxhead

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Plant article naming convention

Hi Peter coxhead. There is a plant article naming convention request at the Help Desk. I saw your name listed at Naming_conventions_(flora) contributions and am hoping you would post your thoughts at How long does speedy deletion usually take?.[1] I asked Pmanderson on the Pmanderson talk page, but not sure if she/he will see the request. Thanks. --

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Lists of Salticidae species

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Photo Removal

I'm new to all this but eager to make positive contributions. I just want to thank you for all the work you do here. You've removed several of my photos recently but I see that your reasoning is sound. Soryy to make more work for you. I'll try to be more pertinent and concise in the future. Thanks!

grass tree

a very loose term for a lot of things in oz JarrahTree 10:56, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

As I've understood. The general issue is that English names need to be sourced; if "grass tree" is used for a given species as well as others, then I thik the text should say something like "known as grass tree,^ref a name also used for other species^ref".

An interesting issue is "black boy" for the genus Xanthorrhoea or some of its species. This blog source has interesting content. I wasn't aware that "black boy" was connected with an Aboriginal name. (There are non-blog sources with the same information, but this one is perhaps clearer.)

Peter coxhead (talk) 11:02, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

on the internet anyone can claim to be an expert...(as is on the internet no one knows you are a dog)

The Xanthorrhoea plant is uniquely Australian. It grows in the South East of Australia ^{yeehah for the geographically challenged - it is easy to spot the experts of course,sigh thats bollocks or worse... like the day I once found someone claiming tasmania is another country...}

Using Trove for the phrase 'grass tree' it has the smell of a long search to check,^{it does point to xanthorrhoea, but} maybe someone else... JarrahTree 11:39, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

oh well that was fun... JarrahTree 11:40, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

Fish taxonomy

I would like you to vote and comment on my proposal to change the authority that WP:Fishes uses for its taxonomy. See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Fishes#Retry proposal to change the Taxonomy used by Wikiproject:Fishes.

I know it isn't about spiders but I think it needs as many people as possible to contribute to this change. Quetzal1964 (talk) 09:15, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

 Done Peter coxhead (talk) 12:39, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Old aphorism

Hello Peter,

Thanks for your help. I'm reminded of an old aphorism - "You can lead a horse to water..." Gderrin (talk) 23:07, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

@Gderrin: indeed. Peter coxhead (talk) 16:11, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

ARBECR

WP:ARBECR, non EC editors may only make edit requests in the topic area, also see notices I made at editors talk page. Thanks. Selfstudier (talk) 16:22, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

@Selfstudier: strictly speaking you are, of course, right, but the non-EC editor made an entirely sensible suggestion, and should not simply be reverted without a careful explanation. We shouldn't discourage well intentioned newbies. Peter coxhead (talk) 16:30, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

I placed the talk page notices as required, including the "friendly" version as well as the official version, I pointed out WP:ARBECR as well in the revert and that is standard practice in the topic area. All such editors are allowed to do is make edit requests and how to do that is explained, more than that is not necessary. I am not specifically asserting that any particular editor is not well intentioned but experience suggests that a large proportion of editors with very few edits do not make helpful contributions in this topic area and it is best that they edit in a less fraught topic area first.

This matter has been discussed several times in different places, admnin boards, ARCAs and so on, and it is consistently upheld. Selfstudier (talk) 16:47, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Erigeron greenei

I have your problem plant species page watchlisted. Erigeron greenei is intended as a replacement name for Erigeron angustatus Greene (1884/5) (non Erigeron angustatus Fries ex Nyman (1879)). IPNI has BHL links for both, but diverges from POWO in the authorship/names that the IPNI taxon links to. I don't think the authorship on IPNI for either is correct. The later name is Erigeron angustatus (A.Gray) Greene on POWO, which is correct (Greene cites Gray as providing the basionym Erigeron inornatus var. angustatus). The earlier name on IPNI goes to Erigeron acris subsp. angustatus (Hartm.) Fr. on POWO. Nyman (as cited on IPNI) appears to be citing Fries's name as a synonym of E. acre, and not providing a validation of anything that (was or) wasn't validly published by Fries. I'm not sure what Hartm. may or may not have validly published; IPNI doesn't have a record for Erigeron acris subsp. angustatus or any other angustatus published by Hartm.

Basically, Nyman appears to be a red herring. Hartman (or possibly Fries) may have validly published an E. angustatus at species rank. If they did so, a replacement name would be needed for Greene's species. It seems that botanists in California want to recognize it at species rank. Given the screwiness in authorship on IPNI, and how the IPNI records are linked to POWO, I don't think POWO is authoritative for treating the California taxon as a variety. Plantdrew (talk) 19:12, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

@Plantdrew: I agree with the analysis, and indeed I had already e-mailed IPNI and PoWO along exactly these lines before I read your comments above. PoWO is correct as far as I can tell in regarding Erigeron greenei as a superfluous name and IPNI is messed up. The article should be at either Erigeron angustatus (A.Gray) Greene or Erigeron reductus var. angustatus (A.Gray) G.L.Nesom. Calflora is inconsistent. Here it accepts E. reductus var. angustatus, whereas here it treats E. greenei as the correct name for E. angustatus. I'm not clear which of these two should be used, only that Erigeron greenei is wrong. Peter coxhead (talk) 19:40, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Please have a look at what I have written at Erigeron greenei#Taxonomy (rather selective use of sources!). I await a response from IPNI and PoWO before doing anything more. Peter coxhead (talk) 19:59, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

That's a reasonable discussion of the issue. Plantdrew (talk) 15:34, 30 October 2024 (UTC)