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Hi, Please take note of my statement on the Talk page of the German language-article. --37ophiuchi (talk) 19:48, 10 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, sorry for being absent for a while but I have read the discussion and am glad to see it has been mostly resolved. However, I do have a question regarding the status of dialects versus standard German that has been posted onto the talk page. Thanks. -- Moalli 22:31, 25 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello Moalli, I noticed you removed Portuguese from the Equatorial Guinea article, but it's been added back with some questionable sources, would you be able to chime in here? Thanks. Ukabia - talk 15:34, 9 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello! Thank you for all your contributions. I saw your edits for Cantonese, and wanted to note something that may be a bit inaccurate.

While Cantonese is a major language in Southeast Asia, and dominant in Vietnam and much of Malaysia, it is important to note that the rest of its regions have a greater presence Min languages (esp. Hokkien and Teochew) or a plurality of dialect groups due to the historic mass-migration of Hoklo peoples. Thus, I fear it is incorrect to say Cantonese is the most spoken variety in Singapore (see this), or for that matter most other SE Asian countries (e.g. refer to Indonesia, Thailand, the Philippines). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nzo9 (talk • contribs) 16:18, 10 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi. If you wanted to trim sourced content, I suggest you to find consensus in the talk page and start with the section of the Philippines (or perhaps with one of those gigantic tables, such as the unmanageable and full of original research Spanish language#Spanish speakers by country), instead of deeming any attempt to provide a minimal insight elsewhere (geography, when, how, sociolinguistics...) with secondary sources in prose "fluff". Btw, what did you mean by "etymology"? Removing templates from the etymology section? What we need is secondary sources. A dictionary voice with 19 different entries is not precisely one.--Asqueladd (talk) 02:21, 24 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. While I see that you good intentions in adding additional information on the background of Spanish and how it got to be spoken in the various locations, they are overly detailed for an overview of the geographical distribution. For example, there is no need to specify the specific parts of Spain in Europe because I'm sure the vast majority of readers know that its mainland is located in Europe (and it itself is a European state). The city-states and Canary Islands in Africa are already mentioned in the continent's subsection. I'll agree with your etymology section edit in that a better source is needed.

Regarding the consensus on the talk page (thank you for pinging me by the way), I will go over the article to see what should be removed and what to keep (with possible trims). The gigantic table of speaker figures is definitely something that should be removed in my opinion. Moalli (talk) 07:34, 24 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

hello the world map of the spanish language page is not following the same patterns that the other languages do, all they have marked the territories that previously had cultural presence in its colonial period, languages like, italian , german, french, portugues and english, and so? why the spanish language world map doesn't follow that patterns? Mxph24 (talk) 15:11, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, of all the languages you listed, only Italian has former colonial territories highlighted and that is an issue that needs to be addressed. That category shouldn't really be there. On all the others, the former colonies where the language is actually used on an important cultural or administrative scale are shown. These maps need to reflect current usage and not former use. That's why on the French map, Syria is not highlighted despite being a former French colony but Algeria is. French is practically no longer used in Syria but its presence in daily life applies to most, if not all, of Algeria's population. The only issue on the Spanish map is how to highlight Philippines, where the language still has some niche cultural usage but not on the scale of the U.S. states or places like Algeria and French. Please see the proposal for that right here. Consensus on en-WP and es-WP has been that Western Sahara should not be included on the global map. - Moalli (talk) 18:28, 22 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

sorry but in all the other languages like dutch in indonesia, german in africa, also have highlighted the former use in the territories and and is alsmost non present in that terriotories today, just like in the philippines, that's why I made another category including the cultural use to avoid confusion with the UNITED STATES. And in the philippines still in the constitution is an optional language, so, why do you want to erase the cultural, and the status of the contitition of the language in the philippiens? also in the sahara still is a territory in dispute and pendent to be de-colonized and still the language is taught in school by the sarahwi people. , even minor languages are highlited where they had a historical and have minority comunities of speakers globally.

If you look at the map for German, Namibia is the only country highlighted and the language is very much still used there at all levels of society on a daily basis (e.g., government, education, media). So no, German is still very present in that African country. It's not "hidden"/spoken by less than 1% of the population like Spanish in Philippines or Dutch in Indonesia. The Dutch language map is another one that needs addressing. It doesn't make sense to have a "some knowledge persists/historical" category when that doesn't reflect regular usage, which is what these maps are supposed to show. Philippines is marked by a dot on the current Spanish map to acknowledge minimal cultural presence since highlighting the whole or most of the country misrepresents its scale of use. Frankly, that is already generous enough considering that its barely present in daily life outside loanwords and the Hispanophone community that forms less than 0.5% of the population. As for Western Sahara, go on WP-es and read the lengthy discussions about it. Most Sarawhis no longer use the language and the recognized administration uses Arabic and French, not Spanish. If in the future the place gains independence with Spanish as an official or major secondary language, by all means it should be included. But for now, no. - Moalli (talk) 05:58, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

sorry, but that little dot is so small that is almost imperceptible, and the spanish language in the philippines is still optional at the Constitutional level, as for the western sahara don't take in count the people in the no control area that still teach the spanish language in education. so you are taking just in count one side of the history in the sahara ignoring the other side of both present in reality, the pro-independence and the pro-anexation of morrocos . Mxph24 (talk) 16:45, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I had no say on Western Sahara and the consensus developed on es-WP or en-WP and am just following what was agreed upon. Take this issue to those respective editors if you disagree. As for Philippines, as indicated on the discussion, there should be no special treatment given that a dot or square is what is used when cultural usage is found in the country but speakers are scattered and the scale is not prominent enough to highlight it in full. Inclusion is already generous enough given the small amount of speakers and relevant usage there nowadays. Japanese is recognized in the constitution of Palau despite barely having any speakers and usage there as well. Should it be included on Japanese language maps? I do agree that the dot is an unfortunate result of the legend's colors blending in so it renders it almost noticeable. - Moalli (talk) 01:12, 27 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

yeah it should be included in palau since it is official at some level in goverment as in the philippines , there's no generous thing in nothing, this is not a favor to anyone but descriptive thing about a language, that dot that you put there is almost invisible, that "agreed upon" is following the morocos point of view ignoring completely the western sahara reality, and so it is biased. Mxph24 (talk) 03:29, 1 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Again, bring the Western Sahara issue to those editors on WP-en and WP-es who decided not to include it and for well-backed reasons. You want to be excessively descriptive? Why don't we highlight most or all of the world for English given that its cultural presence is massive even in places where it was never official. The presence and usage of English in say, Brazil or South Korea is even more prominent than Spanish in Philippines today. The maps are used to reflect reality and to accurately depict *widescale* usage. English is also "optional" in East Timor, but it's not highlighted on the English map because it's not a common working language or used in actuality by administration. I don't get this POV-pushing from Hispanistas who insist on highlighting countries where the reality of Spanish is nothing short of not even being secondary. Such biases have already been noticed by admin. This instance on some Philippine-based editors that the country is Hispanophone would be eye-rolling for most of the population there. - Moalli (talk) 06:29, 3 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

First i'm not hispanist, that's your first bias showing up, second, there's a big diference between a the facto international language or worldwide lingua franca which is english, and spanish is like a regional language that still is taugh in the western sahara and that even the wikipedia informs that, so? in one place it says one thing and the other negates completly the situation? wow so impartial, english is used everywhere yeah that's a fact too, while bringing the sahara issue is a still debatable, but holding to one side instead of pointing out the reality of both sides in their situation is a very biased way to show the data, just like the news and television moved by personal interest and money. And god No one is saying that the philippines is hispanist. "You don't get this POV-pushing like" what? are you serious? trying to use AD-HOMINEM instead of an argument? wow so impresive and informmative. , thinking in white and black instead of a scale of colors?, that's a real eye-rolling for most of the world population. Wow wikipedia is rotten if there's more people holding to one side forgetting completly the situation and using AD-HOMINEM thinking like it were an argument, just exactly like hispanists. Mxph24 (talk) 15:10, 26 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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