User talk:Albatross2147

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Howards military service

Your edit on Howards hypocrisy to national service is very well crafted. But I warn you there may be a lot of oppostion to its presence. I will support you if others choose to wipe it. 128.250.99.135 00:43, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Was your aim also to paint Howard as a hypocrite, or is that 128.250.99.135's intention alone? Andjam 06:03, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Hi Albatross2147,

I noticed you reverted the citation needed thingo which is fair enough. Given that to prove the somewhat bleeding obvious is nearly as hard as proving a negative can you wait a bit before striking out the alleged PoV statement?

A little bit, but not too long.

Also at the risk of entering into a bitter ploemic (which I certainly don't want to do) I would be interested to know exactly what your objection is to the statement that in the 1960s he was a supporter of both NS and Aust's participation in the Vn War. I don't see how it could have been otherwise.

Well, people have made mistakes before. For example this rant claims that Family First were presumably "into the Iraq war like a rat up a drainpipe" when the policy platform was that they disapproved of the invasion. (I sent them an email in December 2004, and they're yet to correct the statement) The article originally talked about Howard "vociferously" supporting the war, which is hardly NPOV language. Even if he weren't in favour of the war and conscription, he may have decided to stay silent to avoid giving the North Vietnamese comfort. Frankly, I'm a bit tired of "fake but accurate" attitude some people have. Andjam 06:03, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Even though we suspect it, we can't assume that he did hold the same views as his party without evidence, nor does add much to talk about the views of his party as evidence of his own inconsistency. For eg, after the Vietnam war the Liberal party decided that South Vietnamese who had assisted the Australian forces should be evacuated. There was only one minister who wanted to leave them behind in the hands of the North Vietnamese. Guess who. Regards, Ben Aveling 07:27, 27 January 2006 (UTC) PS. I did manage to find a quote for you.

So long as it's from a reliable NPOV source, well ... I still wouldn't exactly be thrilled about the inclusion, given that one person wanted it included in order to paint Howard as a hypocrite. But if it's got a good citation, I won't try to get the section removed unless other people worry about how notable it is. Andjam 08:01, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

All depends on how it's used, really. Same as any other fact. Regards, Ben Aveling 08:32, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

AWB

Either a separate articles or dividing the existing article into clear sections (like the history section of the Opera Australia article) seems to make sense to me.John Dalton 21:52, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

De-sysop

If you want to remove someone's administrator status, you need to go via Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration. enochlau (talk) 04:46, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

James Cole

I'll attempt to get a new article completed - apparently it all has to be finished with citations and no typos prior to posting; otherwise it will be speedily deleted... The new article will be more thorough and less speculative in accordance with grievances aired in the debate which took place *after* deletion rather than before. -pa

It was speedily deleted, which means that it does not have to undergo WP:AFD. enochlau (talk) 14:56, 27 January 2006 (U

Alan Jones

I have removed the article Alan Jones from the "List of GLBT people" category. If Alan Jones hasn't specifically stated in public that he belongs within this category, then it is not for us to put him in such a category based upon mere rumour and innuendo. - Mark 02:06, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry you feel that way about my action there. I am merely cautioning against presenting something as fact when we don't know for sure that it is. In my opinion, it is still perfectly legitimate to discuss the gay claims within the text of the article. I don't feel this is censorship, since I haven't removed from the article the talk about these allegations. - Mark 02:37, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Homebush Boys High School

Your Post: This has been majorly vandalised again. Are you in a position to revert easily? Albatross2147 22:47, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

• My Response: I've reverted the vandalism. Cheers! --NMChico24 23:07, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Gang Show

Much nicer! Now I know what it is! Thanks. :-D --Tim4christ17 09:49, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Wow!

You've been to Campbell Island? Colour me very jealous. Thanks for the albie photo. Sabine's Sunbird talk 07:33, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

JoeTheLion

Indef blocked. It was good of you to revert his vandalism, BTW. Indeed, here's a barnstar:

		The RickK Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
		For reverting vandalism on John Howard, I award Albatross2147 the RickK Anti-Vandalism Barnstar -- Samir धर्म 08:41, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks and keep up the good work -- Samir धर्म 08:41, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

I have been on the Board for 5 years and over that time the meeting has never been held in Melbourne on Cup day. Wmckibbin 13:55, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

As a former pupil, to the best of my knowledge, and my teachers. It was an coed, inaddition, my piano tutor, she, attended Homebush High School. (NeoDeGenero 16:26, 18 July 2006 (UTC))

User talk page messages

Hi Albatross2147,

I only just noticed your "re John Howard Talk" section on my talk page (not that it is a big issue, as the issues have been mentioned in the article talk page). I typically only look at the bottom of my user talk page, so if you have any further messages, can you start a new section unless there's an existing section near the bottom of the page? Thanks, Andjam 11:58, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Minor Edits

Remember to mark your edits as minor when, but only when, they genuinely are (see Wikipedia:Minor edit). Marking a major change as a minor one, or vice versa, is considered poor etiquette. The rule of thumb, is that an edit of a page that consists of spelling corrections, formatting, and minor rearranging of text should be flagged as a 'minor edit'. DXRAW 01:00, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Newington Headmasters

Why not list all Headmasters of Newington and remain neutral by not using the weasel word distinguished but describing there term of office. I believe Sydney Grammar has a list of all Headmasters.

NSW School Certificate

Sorry about that i misread your edit. DXRAW 12:37, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Newington College Industrial Dispute

Dear Albatross

Would you please have a look at this disputed column and give an opinion by reading the citations and external links - or better still write a new article. It appears to be badly written, repetitious, and lacking neutrality. As it is a current dispute surely it should be no more than a paragraph with links to reputable reports. I would appreciate your opinion.Aagps 03:40, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Fairfield High School, NSW

Hi Albatross2147, I've blocked the most recent offender. If the vandalism starts up again, let me know and I can protect the page. Cheers -- Samir धर्म 01:02, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Reverted and warned; I've got my eye on it. Thanks for informing me -- Samir धर्म 15:04, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Nine Network

It seems fine now. Cheers — Gary Kirk | ^talk! 11:27, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Thank you.

Thanks for clearing up the edit issue. :)

Your Changes to Nine Network

Please do not add nonsense to Wikipedia; it is considered vandalism. If you would like to experiment, use the sandbox. Thank you. - Mike Beckham 11:41, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Belated thanks

Thank you for participating in my RfA. Consensus to promote was reached, and I am now an administrator. I'll be using the tools cautiously at first, and everyone should feel welcome to peer over my shoulder and make sure I'm not doing anything foolish. --Robth^Talk 04:17, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Greeny in the bible belt

Hey mate. Fellow Greeny here. I don't know if you're religious or not, but I do know you live in a very conservative part of Sydney. Are you a member of a local branch down your way? Dankru 07:26, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Hanslope50

Your image of Hanslope in 1950 seems to have been voided? --Concrete Cowboy 23:06, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Strange, other pics were ok. Will try to find time to match pic, but not any time soon. --Concrete Cowboy 12:05, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Pickhaver Coment

Umm perhaps i am wrong.. but i remember Pickhaver comming to our school to talk at assembly and i thought they said he was an ex student.

Memo

Memo to self - stop trying to be fair.

NPOV is non-negotiable. Thanks, Andjam 12:14, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

This is regarding the article and talk pages of John Howard. Welcome to Wikipedia. Please do not add unreferenced negative information to biographies of living persons, as you did to John Howard. Thank you. Andjam 11:59, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

You don't have to be an admin to give a warning. You only have to be one to block someone. Andjam 03:48, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

I said that the statement is uncited. And it was. And I haven't been pushing a Point Of View about Howard. Whereas you have openly expressed your intention to do so. Andjam 03:01, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Regarding your edits at John Howard, it seems that you have some personal recollections of Howard's behaviour at Vietnam rallies in the 60s. Why not take it to a journalist (you know, like an ex-Media Watch host who seems to like researching Howard's history) rather than put it on Wikipedia, where I'm not sure it really belongs. Rocksong 04:58, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

This is for persisting to add uncited material to John Howard.

You have made an edit to John Howard that could be regarded as defamatory. Please do not restore this material to the article or its talk page. If you do, you may be blocked for disruption. See the blocking policy. Andjam 10:16, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

You have made an edit to John Howard that could be regarded as defamatory. Please do not restore this material to the article or its talk page. If you restore this material to the article or its talk page once more, you will be blocked for disruption. See Blocking policy: Biographies of living people. Andjam 11:28, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Everything that is in a wikipedia article should be supported by a reference to a reliable source. Even if it's to say that water is wet, or that the sun rises in the east. Thanks, Andjam 11:42, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

If it is of biographical significance, then a reliable source would have noted it by now. Don't use wikipedia as a soapbox. As for the sun rising in the east ... it's regrettable that it's currently unreferenced, but at least someone has tagged the article as needing references. Andjam 12:12, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

I've never thought of you as a looney, merely as a Greens supporter. There is a slight difference. (What in particular were you referring to?) Andjam 13:36, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

I may not be able to have a decent look at the question about the VC project in a timely manner. Andjam 11:16, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Schools

I don't think schools are inherently notable (I also disgree that all highways are notable, but I can't do anything about that). If you see an article about pastors or anything/one you feel are not notable, then just nominate them for deletion. Edgecution 00:36, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Civility on school articles

Regarding [1]- it is uncivil and unproductive to refer to other editors as "fundies." JoshuaZ 02:16, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

RE: Gang Show edits

Satisfactory. I can't say I like having the paragraph there stating one show above others, even if it is not mentioned by name, but for now it will do. Dac 00:03, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm afraid you have, in fact, got my stance wrong. I encourage a lot of the things to be put it, as many as possible. But to single out one show above all others when we have a wide range of them seems overtly unfair to the others and comes across as advertising. Don't get me wrong, I thought Cumberland Gang Show this year was good (yes, I went to see it ;) ) but for an international event such as this, to single it out is injecting it above other shows. Thank you. Dac 00:24, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Militia VCs

Reg Rattey. Same battle as Partridge, Slater's Knoll in the Bougainville campaign (1943-45). Cheers, Grant65 | Talk 09:47, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Delete

No I redirected it to his daughters page. The guy is not notable for anything other than having a disabled daughter. --Peta 23:17, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

• It wasn't; I made an editorial decision. Please stop posting to my old talk page. --Peta 23:23, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
  • I am an editor; I can make decisions. I don't need permission. --Peta 23:26, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
    • My signiture links to my current talk page; I don't know how you are getting to the old one. --Peta 23:27, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

• Undo the redirect if you want. The article - if you can call it that - is still there. --Peta 23:36, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Ron Delezio

An article that you have been involved in editing, Ron Delezio, has been listed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ron Delezio. Please look there to see why this is, if you are interested in whether it should be deleted. Thank you. --TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 04:02, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Ron Delezio

Alright...you caught me. I too can make typos...which I'm sure you've never done, and I commend you for it. I have since gone back and added the 'e' that I had so carelessly sailed over. Note that I didn't forget it in my link to his daughter. Aside from that, I find it itneresting that you decided to post such a comment on my page, and editor who wants to merge the small amount of information presented to the more relevant article Sophie Delezio, instead of on the talk pages of those who wish to see it go. My opinion was formed by reviewing both articles, and noting that there was very little to say about Mr. DelEzio. The only real notable facts, in my opinion, are his award and his award nomination, and of coarse that he's the father of Sophie. Other than that, he's just not that notable. However, those two bits of information are notable, and can fit just fine into his daughter's article.Ganfon 18:43, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Yea yea yea. Review my numerous contributions across the project including the extensive number of articles I have authored and/or rewritten and then presume to cast aspersions about my bad faith. Disagree with me - fair enough. But leave it at that. Eusebeus 02:25, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Eusebeus. Your article was nominated for deletion. The majority of people believe it should be merged/deleted. The people who contribute to AFD understand that Wikipedia runs by consensus, they review the article as it would appear in a normal encyclopedia and form their opinion. I understand you're proud of your article. I understand you're angry that it has been nominated for deletion. I too have had articles I felt, and still feel are notable enough to be in Wikipedia and have been deleted via the AfD process. However I did not go around complaining on the talk pages of those who disagreed with me. I did go and try to prove my point, as you did, and failed as you are. But I realized when it was time to move on, I didn't continue to patronize other people by preaching what my idea of notability was...Wikipedia had done that for me. I'm sorry about your article, I really am. But please stop lecturing the people who said it should be merged, we are merely trying to help this encyclopedia. Ganfon 04:38, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

You know what I meant by 'your article', and if you didn't...I was referring to the fact that you had taken responsibility for and were fighting vigorously to keep it alive (which I do respect (to a point) by the way). Technically speaking, you never asked me a question to begin with, but I did answer the implied query in my original comment back. However, since I obviously confused you, I will try reiterate as plainly as possible. I saw the AfD, I reviewed the article. I looked back on what other editors thought. I then reviewed over Sophie's article. Finally I factored all of this together and came to the conclusion that it was not notable enough for it's own article, but the awards and such could be mentioned in the Sophie articlle, which is notable. I'm sorry this has turned into the argument it has, but my opinion won't change, and neither will your's, so let's leave it at that and stop patronizing each other. Ganfon 04:56, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Hillsong article

Thanks for bringing this to my attention, friend. I've corrected it. Tonicthebrown 10:35, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi Albatross. Actually I am an ex-Adventist, but still have an interest in Adventism --hence my contribution to the Wikipedia articles. I wouldn't personally call the Adventists a cult, but I think some of their beliefs are definitely not mainstream Christian. I think I can be fairly NPOV because I want neither to glorify nor denigrate the church.

To clarify those terms for you: "Pentecostal" is a style of Christianity which focuses heavily on the Holy Spirit, miracles and worship. The Assemblies of God (AOG) are a denomination which are Pentecostal, and Hillsong is part of AOG. To be "non-denominational", a church cannot be part of a denomination (Anglican, Baptist, AOG, Adventist, etc.) Cheers. Tonicthebrown 03:29, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

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Gang Show

The Gang Show is an important part of Scouting in many countries if not the USA. I am reverting you high handed reversion. Albatross2147 11:41, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

There are many things that are important in some countries, but not most. By your standards, virtually everything should be in See also.Rlevse 12:28, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes, you are being silly, if you'd bother to check, the last person who rv'd your entry was Bduke, who is British and living in Australia, the same place as you.Rlevse 12:43, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Grow up and check WP:CIVIL. Rlevse 12:52, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Guide to layout#See also Rlevse 13:00, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

No actually it's being blunt and to the point when being confronted by high handed priggishness." You shouldn't talk about yourself that way.Rlevse 13:45, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Believe me, I could be much harsher, but then I'd be stooping down to your lowly, infantile, and puerile level.Rlevse 13:51, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi, why do you think an image of the scarf of one Gang Show should replace what I think is an image of a more general badge? Could not both be in the article? --Bduke (talk) 03:02, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Pauline Hanson

I give up - user:beneaththelandslide and all the other Hansonites are going to keep removing her racial makeup.

--PeterMarkSmith 10:24, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

AMB PH Quote

Now - let's see if the neo nazi Hasonites try removing the lady's words themselves? --PeterMarkSmith 15:39, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Well they did! --PeterMarkSmith 08:33, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

rfa thanks

The first one was no consensus. The second was [2]. The wikilink at the top of my user talk is wrong, sorry. ⇒ SWATJester ^{On Belay!} 21:23, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Darrel Chapman

South Sydney 1960 - 1964 played 73 games/10 tries for 30 points New South Wales 1959 played 1 game/0 points Australia 1959 - 1960 kangaroo tour played 0 games

Kempsey born fullback played for Northern New South Wales against New Zealand in 1959 before forcing his way into the full New South Wales side. Was selected in the 1959 - 1960 Kangaroo side to tour Europe playing in 18 matches but never making a test appearance, he signed for South Sydney at the completion of the tour.

He captained the Rabbitohs for four seasons from 1961 - 1964 and after his retirement built a prominent career in coaching and admininstation. He went on to serve on the NSWRL coaching panel and held positions with the New South Wales department of Sport, Australian coaching education council and the National Rugby League coaching scheme.

A teacher who moved into the sports science field with the Lismore campus of the University of New England; he eventually lost his long battle with cancer in 1992 at the age of 55. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tiburon (talk

All the raw information is from The Encyclopedia of Rugby League Players. Alan Whiticker & Glen Hudson, 2002 (Gary Allen Publishing Pty Ltd); though I have paraphrased a lot of writing above.

Tiburon 03:47, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Rabbitohs Playing record from the Rabbitohs Website legends section 1st Grade Matches: 61; 1st Grade Tries: 10; 1st Grade Points: 30 2nd Grade Matches: 2 3rd Grade Matches: 4; 3rd Grade Tries: 1; 3rd Grade Points: 3 Total Matches: 67; Total Tries: 11; Total Points: 33 They spell it Darrell Sticks66 20:48, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Ralph READER

Albatross - thanks for your comments. As you can see I am a new user, only trying out my first edit less than a week ago. The information about Ralph Reader living in Denton, Sussex comes from personal knowledge but is also sourced from "The East Sussex Village Book" by Rupert Taylor (1986) ISBN 0-905392-59-0. However I will visit the local museum (where I am a member) and find out exactly when and where her lived there. Cheers and best wishes Kevin - Seaford - Sussex

Jesus and Mo

I have removed the Wp links you inserted to the articles on both the mythical and historical persons who happen to share the same names as the characters in the strip. My understanding is that the author of the strip does not intend that the characters should be perceived as referring to the mythical and historical persons. This might explain why the Ganesh character made only a single appearance since any representation is perhaps too unique. Albatross2147 03:24, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Oh come on! You know that's exactly what he's doing. If not then why all the references to him walking on water and having stigmata? Anything he says about it being a joke or a stand-in is part of the comedy mocking the evasiveness of people who criticize or who do parodies. I really think they should be added back. Tyciol 15:27, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Re: Paul Gibson

Yes played for Manly nothing really notable though if memory serves. Going to RL Encyclopedia says....

Souths (1962) 1 game
Manly (1966) 13 games / 3 tries & 7 goals for 23 points
Parramatta (1967 - 68) 23 games / 5 tries for 15 points
Penrith (1969 - 70) 9 games / 3 tries & 2 goals for 13 points

Manly junior was a winger, centre and five eighth with four clubs before pursuing a career in politics. The father of former Manly & Penrith player Greg Gibson, he was the Labor MP for Londonderry during the 1980s and 1990s before successfully contesting the seat of Blacktown in the 1999 State Election.

Hope that helps! Tiburon 15:55, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Jimbo is coming to Sydney

Sorry to spam you if you aren't interested. See Wikipedia:Meetup/Sydney#April 25th for more info if you are interested. - Ta bu shi da yu 08:16, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Greetings, Albatross. Very interested in your comments in the discussion page re: John Howard, his old man, grandfather and the whole New Guard shebang - a period that fascinates me (if you get a chance there's a good exhibition on the topic at the Police and Justice Museum at Circular Quay right now). You mention a thesis by John James that you found in the ML. Looked up the catalogie but couldn't find it. I'd like to see it. Can you be more specific about how to find the thing? Cheers, Alidocious.

Basil Catterns - reply

I'm sorry you are upset by the tag. The point is that your article does not assert what the individual's notability is. I specifically did not mark it for deletion, but the tag states "If you are familiar with the subject matter, please expand the article to establish its notability". I have no desire to have an edit war and will not further edit the article. I feel however it is likely that someone will mark it for deletion if it is not expanded. Cheers. CitiCat 04:59, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Failure.

You, sir, are a poor photographer.

Thanks. That's handy to know. Albatross2147 22:34, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Wade Frankum

Hi, I'm a little bit confused about your concern about my changes to the Wade Frankum article. I only added a category of which applies to this person. Could you please elaborate? Loopla 06:23, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

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Joel Houston

Hi, thanks for the comment. I was trying to make the article (and similar ones) more encyclopedic - they'd started to get too much like fan pages. Marky1981 12:55, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Toonga Bay

Hey Albatross just wanted to say thanks for working on the Toonie article, particularly the last couple edits in there. Looking good. Cheers. --Bren ^talk 15:54, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi Albatross2147,

I like the ammendments you have made to the Gang Show wiki. Just curious to find out who you are. If you could email me back, that would be great.

Thanks Matt

info@gangshow.asn.au

Re:Australian Mother of the Year Award

Generally, protection or semi-protection is only warranted for a round of really bad, uncontrollable vandalism - that doesn't appear to be the case yet. I'd say just try and warn the editors that they may be blocked from editing if they continue with it. If it gets worse, do let me know though. enochlau (talk) 04:20, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

I'd do it if I was able to by policy. It's just that the protection policy is not meant to be invoked as a precaution against potential future vandalism (they seem to have stopped on that page... for the time being anyway). enochlau (talk) 10:13, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

The Simpsons

Are you in a position to revert the deletion of the trivia? Albatross2147 08:54, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

I assume I am.--Steven X 09:06, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Gordon Bray

Hi there, No, I'm afraid I'm not the same person! This article happened to be one I happened to come across whilst patrolling the recent changes pages. Worth a try I suppose! :) Cheers, Rob Lindsey 08:47, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Calamondin

Sorry, but I had to take out the image you placed in the Calamondin article. Calamondins have very small fruits, typically an inch in diameter and are used for cooking when green. Orange or ripe fruit are rarely used for cooking, or even ades. Were those calamondins in your image? They looked like oranges. -- • Kurt Guirnela • ‡ ^Talk 04:14, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Are you are some kind of arrogant image police? I know what sort of fruit it is. Put the image back. You shouldn't delete things done by experienced editors w/o some sort of discussion - it wan't like I was say the fruit is poison or a racist. I will take another shot with a ruler in front of it if you insist. Albatross2147 09:09, 28 July 2007 (UTC) Albatross2147

Wow, you are one touchy dude. And who said anything about being a racist? And I don't insist on you putting a ruler in front of the fruit to prove a point. Arrogance? If I were that arrogant, I would not have bothered to post the initial message on your talk page. Be civil to your fellow wikipedians. If you believe I was mistaken, you can always undo my edit. -- • Kurt Guirnela • ‡ ^Talk 02:06, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Frank Houston

Hi, please could you see my response on Talk:Frank Houston. I think you have assumed something a bit unfair. Regards, Halsteadk 08:59, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Edit summaries

I try to avoid making personal remarks on other editors in edit summaries; I'd appreciate it if you'd return the courtesy. Be assured that playing devil's advocate on an article about somebody I actively dislike is annoying enough already without being called a 'prude' for doing so.

As it happens, I'm quite fond of cunts, and from my experience with them I'm pretty sure Alan Jones is nothing like one. --Calair 01:09, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

John Howard

Welcome to Wikipedia! I am glad to see you are interested in discussing a topic. However, as a general rule, talk pages such as John Howard are for discussion related to improving the article, not general discussion about the topic. Thank you. I have removed the text the appears to be a personal opinion about the subject from the talk page, please read WP:BLP and WP:TALK Thnak youGnangarra 06:18, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

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Talk pages are for discussion on the article content not for personal opinions about the subject Gnangarra 07:48, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi, I am strongly support Gnan's warning that the talk pages are for the discussions on improvements of an article not for the general discussion on the topic matters. It is especially important for the high-traffic controversial topics there general forum-style postings tend to generate a lot of clutter and prevent from the productive work on the article. This is true for both pro-Howard and anti-Howard noise Alex Bakharev 07:57, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

User:Horus Kol and Boy Scout

I think you will find that Horus has left WP. He has not edited since April. That is a great pity because his knowledge of UK Scouting is great and he has helped to keep an international flavour to our articles on Scouting. On you beef about the Boy Scout article I agree with you in part. I think part of the problem is that the Project wants it to be about the boy, while the related articles such as Cub Scout start with "A Cub Scout is a member of the section of the worldwide Scouting movement for young persons". Rover Scout is similar. I have argued before that the article should be focused on the section and not on the boy, because as you say many such sections contain girls. However, this is confused by the use of "Scout" for Girl Scouts and the general English word "scout" which predated the Scout Movement. The solution is not obvious and it needs careful thought. The BSA project members are acting in good faith and they are trying to keep our articles international. It does not help to call them bully boys or biased. --Bduke 09:32, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

re morrison

the relevant rule is that the article should be at the most commonly used name, which isn't much help in this case. i have no objections to it being moved to his real name, i just wanted the articles to be merged somewhere. please also remember wp:civil etc.  ⇒ bsnowball  15:50, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Parramatta

Which captions do you mean on the Parra article? Can't see it. I don't remember touching the old captions.

Sardaka —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sardaka (talk • contribs) 08:58, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

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Haven't you got anything better to do? Albatross2147 14:27, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes (see my userpage), but I also help out with non-free image patrolling as a way of giving back to Wikipedia. Videmus Omnia ^Talk 00:19, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

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FA of the day AfD

Hello, I just removed the AfD from this article, Ernest Emerson. I just think it would be prudent to wait until tomorrow, when the article is no longer featured on the main page. I'm not going to be online a lot today, and I don't want to argue a lot about this, so if someone reverts me that's ok. I just think a little caution is warranted when the article is going to be seen by thousands of people today. Have a good day, Fang Aili ^talk 12:33, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

This article should never have been given FA status and you know it. The RFD does back regardless of IAR whatever that may be. Albatross2147 12:41, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm not interested in arguing the merits of the article. My only issue right now is the fact that a main-page article is going to have a deletion notice on it. Frankly, this looks terrible. This article has had featured status since March and I see no reason why we must discuss its possible deletion right now. --Fang Aili ^talk 12:45, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

So if it's OK if an article is substandard just so long as it has FA status? I don't think so. You obviously have some issues being an Admin if you operate in such a high handed way. Perhaps you should submit to a review yourself? However I am prepared to compromise. Will you personally restore what you have reversed? Albatross2147 12:52, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

I see you seem to be living adjacent to the subject in Wisconsin. Is this clouding your judement in this case? Albatross2147 12:54, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

There's no reason to be argumentative. For the record, I'd never heard of Ernest Emerson before.

I will post a summary of events at the Emerson talk page. If someone else (not you or I) wants to restore the AfD, I have no problem with that. This will be my last post on the matter. --Fang Aili ^talk 12:56, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Actually, the subject lives in California. It makes me wonder if the article was actually written at all by the folks seeking to delete it. What exactly is the problem with the pictures? Some were from my collection, some uploaded by other collectors and a few were obtained with the permission of Emerson, himself? Is it because this is a weapons-related article that you have a problem with it? Mike Searson 15:22, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

PS, I read your note on my talkpage. If you want to work constructively with me on this, I have no objection. I know my writing style is not the best.Mike Searson 15:42, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Emerson Page

Yes someone did notice about the image...it's been addressed here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iamunknown#Emerson_Page

So, back to the main issue at hand... if I want to edit a page, or rewrite the prose...rather than edit or change it or reword it, is it now wikipedia policy to post "Delete" on the article and hope it doesn't get removed? Is that what you're trying to tell me?--Mike Searson 04:58, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

feh. Point of view is not a reason for deletion. fix the article, put some sourced critism of Mr Emerson or his work in the article. and Please don't canvass. --Rocksanddirt 16:07, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Dual-citizenship

The US honors dual-citizenshipfor 2 countries only: Ireland and Israel. (I have friends of Greek and Iranian ancestry and those countries recognize it to six generations even if the US does not).

Both of my parents were born in Ireland and did have to renounce their Irish citizenship when they became US citizens (actually my dad's was Australian, long story). However children and grandchildren of Irish-born citizens can apply for and receive Irish citizenship...cost me about $500 with paperwork, etc. Technically my folks could reapply, but neither has any interest to do so. --Mike Searson 10:29, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Ernest Emerson FAR

I have started a featured article review for Ernest Emerson at Wikipedia:Featured article review/Ernest Emerson. Your contribution would be appreciated.--Nydas^(Talk) 17:23, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

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== Toonie vandals==

I note your revert of Toonscabbie as vandalism. In fact the word is used locally in daily speech the same way as Toonga Bay is but perhaps in more scathing tones. I can't find a documented source so I haven't included it as a colloquial synonym. Albatross2147 23:09, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

There are a lot of colloquial names for suburbs but often many of them are disparaging or discriminating. I don't think we need to include information that creates tensions in the communities. Cheers. J Bar 23:54, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Seven hills

I am not sure what you mean by dropping the image of the station, could you please explain further. With the Gallery I thought there was enough text there for its own section and I don't see how this could cause any harm as no text or images were removed. I also thought that the un-sourced information in the gallery was a bit much for a caption, thats why I turned this into its own section. I have just been through the page history and noticed that the picture of the station used to be in the gallery. The picture of the station is now in the infobox so I guess thats why its no longer in the gallery, but I don't recall removing it. Cheers_Ad@m.J.W.C. 23:46, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

I think the above user Jbar transfered the image from gallery to infobox. Cheers_Ad@m.J.W.C. 23:49, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Hmmmmmmmmmm, Sounds like I am in trouble for something. I don't know, you seem upset my good fellow. I cant see what I have done wrong here. I am not quite sure that images can be used as references. I don't know where those pictures where taken and only someone who lives there or passes by would no the area, I also don't think the photos prove all the facts stated in the text. Hmmmmmmmmmm, I am not that concerned about you reverting my edits and I don't know why you are so upset. You mention a train station image, Hmmmmmmmmmmmm, I don't recall removing any train station images, I do not remove images unless I take a picture of my own that is of superior quality, which they normally are. And I can also reply on you talk page in a civil manner which I have. Also whoever wrote text in that article should be pleased that I gave it a more prominent position. Thats all I can think of at the moment. One more thing, if someone has removed an image all you have to do is go through the page history and retrieve it and restore it, its quite simple. Cheers_Ad@m.J.W.C. 07:09, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

You seem to be attacking me over little or nothing, why don't you just revert the Seven hills article, I think this should give you some peace. Also the text that I contribute involves going through 10 to 15 different sources, to piece out information to add to the article. I really don't think that me adding things bit by bit really concerns you, I have a high work rate when it comes to adding text (lately), now I am going back to add small amounts of content to some of the articles that I created from scratch, for this involves going through, like I said before 10 to 15 different sources of information, the article in question is almost finished but still needs a bit of polishing up and thats what I am doing. About your train station image, the one that you are accusing me of deleting, well I don't know any thing about that, maybe it got deleted for being a copyright violation or it could be in the page history, or maybe it never existed in the first place. I also think you need to tone it down with your attacks, for some reason I think you may be harassing just for the sake of harassing someone. I think its about time you stopped pestering and move on to bigger things, like creating articles or something. Cheers_Ad@m.J.W.C. 13:01, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

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Knives and stuff

As you say: "I have decided if you can't beat 'em you might as well join 'em" So I have set up a page for my local award winning sausage maker, Paul Conway (butcher) to demonstrate what happens if the biography areas are allowed to include anyone who has ever achieved anything notable. I think he is the first butcher ever to get a page of his own, I even had to set up new categories for him. What a pain! That said his fillet steak is commendable.... Hopefully if folk realise that anyone can set up a user page on wikipedia, then either we simply agree that anything goes, or at some point someone draws a line in the sand. But its a tricky one, isnt it? Excalibur 13:48, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

You are right in saying "Conway actually seems to be notable - at least from this article". I suppose it broadens the concept of what it notable to include a butcher - the first on Wikipedia, but not I think, the last! Well, considering how very minor some of the actors and athletes who merit an entry, it would be mere snobbishness not to let the butchers, bakers and candlestick makers get onto the site, as long as they win a few competitions and do their job well like Paul. As for his pies, black pudding or haggis going into space or getting into a novel, you have just given me an idea...I'm sure it could be arranged with a little ingenuity!

"Can we create an Ernie award?"

Yes, that sounds like a great idea. Some ridiculous caricature barnstar showing a bald eagle with a bowie knife between its teeth (er beak) flying through outer space with a couple of planets in the background? It would be awarded to the ten most vain and bloated entries about living people we can find following a competition amongst wikipedians to identify them. Excalibur 15:22, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Jill Whalen

Hello Albatross2147. User:Jehochman has opened a report at the COI noticeboard about this article, since you placed a COI2 tag on it. Can you please comment at Talk:Jill Whalen what your thinking is about the tag? My guess is that JEH feels the tag is directed at him. However since you didn't leave a comment or an edit summary, nobody knows yet. EdJohnston 23:34, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

The article has been cleaned up with the help of User:Ronz from WP:WPSPAM. Would you have a look and consider removing the COI tag? Full disclosure, I am a moderator at Jill's forum, so I prefer not to edit this article myself. - Jehochman ^Talk 20:43, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

satire

I'm not trying to make a point, the guy is notable or I would have put it up on AFD at a first glance. The article wasn't needed but it can be made a decent quality so I have tried to, an inverted version of the point if you will. --Nate1481( ^t/_c) 09:53, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Humour

Maybe you thought this was Uncyclopedia it isn't about humour, you were trying to make a point and failed. If the article had been out right stupid, I would have nominated it for deletion, as it was you created an article about an individual who has had national media coverage on more than one occasion and regular local media coverage. It could be sourced about and the coverage was not all trivial.

I manly deal with marital arts articles if you want to see a bad bio-article have a look at them ignoring this the result falls under the category of advanced humour, irony. --Nate1481( ^t/_c) 17:25, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Montreal Screwjob

I despair, I really do. Maybe we need to just forget about Wikipedia being an encyclopedia and think about it as the red top tabloid than anyone can edit...;-)Excalibur 21:41, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

You the man

Hi Albatross2147 You sound like a very sensible person. Hold on to that, because we are in the minority. Scary world. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.238.59.39 (talk) 11:38, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Montreal Screwjob & Bobby Eaton

Listen here, mortal. Just because you don't like an article, doesn't give you the right to tag it for deletion due to lack of notability. So either smarten up or I shall drag you into the depths of hell.... Vampire Warrior 17:49, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Ugh. Please don't take this as reflective of the mentality of WP:PW. The vast majority of members do not condone threats, even if they are as assinine as this one. One of our members has already tried to delete the comment. While I strongly disagree with you targetting wrestling articles for no reason other than their subject matter, this threat is totally uncalled-for and against Wikipedia rules. I simply urge you to reconsider your stance. Best wishes, GaryColemanFan 18:37, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Hiya - I see you have kept the Vampire Threat as well - I reckon you don't get death threats from vampires every day so might as well regard it a badge of honour! Excalibur 19:09, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Bob Hawke

Just dropping you a quick message to tell you what a good job you did getting that Hawke image. Well done and cheers! Timeshift 14:23, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Bidwill

		The Photographer's Barnstar
		Good work getting a positive photo for an area where negative perceptions are easy to reinforce.Garrie 00:23, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

WWE in Australia note

I noticed you stated "WWE does not seem to be offering anything in Australia" I think a quick search of yourtv for "WWE" would show that it is still on here. –– Lid^(Talk) 02:08, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

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Strangeway

Hiya - all help would be useful on this page strangeway as having seen the nonsense about wrestling I am now a convert to the idea of using this wiki to celebrate obscure acts of heroism by unknown folk getting their day of fame on the wiki ...four years and one huge bank overdraft to visit all the scottish islands is worth a few electrons IMHO....lets celebrate ordinary and yet totally amazing lives not just the high paid jerks! Excalibur 00:16, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

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AfD nomination of Jabez Peters

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Hello. In view of the Afd of Mr Peters might I suggest you do an article on the wreck of the Dundonald and incorporate the Peters information in that? There's several good sources for it on the web, [3] and [4] and [5] for instance. This would enable the information on Peters to survive and more context to be given. It would also survive any attempt to delete it as such shipwrecks are held to be notable I would think. Just a thought. Nick mallory (talk) 10:01, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

OK, I started the article myself at Dundonald (ship) if you'd like to look at that. Nick mallory (talk) 10:44, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

USS Illinois

I have tried to adress your concerns on the FAC page by consolidating the armament sections into the upper body, and have taken a stab at tightening the article to better present the information. Would you consider taking another look at the article? TomStar81 (Talk) 20:23, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

I have replaced all instances of hulk with hull after you included a link to hulk defining the difference between the two. Thank you for pointing that out to me. TomStar81 (Talk) 10:19, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Template on article "Theology"

File:Neanderthal 2D.jpg

A fairly common type of Wiki-Administrator —Preceding unsigned comment added by Albatross2147 (talk • contribs) 13:10, 27 February 2008

It looks like you have removed template Copy section to Wikiquote from the section "Quotations" of article "Theology" ([6], [7], [8]). The edit summaries ("revert edit per by anon", "restore quotes critical of invisible-friend-ology", "restore quotes critical of invisible-friend-ology deleted by frenzied newbie who ought to read the 3RR") seem to address other aspects of these edits, so I am not sure if it was your intention to remove the template, or was its removal an accident... Would you mind to explain your position on this matter? --Martynas Patasius (talk) 23:27, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Athiesm?

Happy New Year! I share your views on religion, but can also be impressed by the spectacular cathedrals we have in the UK - would you care to nominate for something suitably impressive like picture of the week or nominated image?Excalibur (talk) 01:00, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

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USS Illinois (BB-65) FAC

Last year you voted oppose to this article's FAC, but changes to the article have been made to address the concerns you brought up that could be addressed. Would you consider taking another look at the candidate? TomStar81 (Talk) 10:43, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Reply to FAC comments

Re:this - setting aside the personal attacks you made against me, I want you to know that I never promote articles on the basis of the fact that I like them - it's a non-consideration. In fact, I generally err on the side of not promoting articles (regardless of whether or not I like them).

The FAC rules, as I am interpreting them on that nomination, are identical to other situations. Where inactionable objections are concerned, the test is "Can something be done to fix the objection?" (as written at the top of the page). Where notability is concerned, we use the oft-repeated rule that FAC is not AFD and we assume a-priori that anything nominated there is notworthy and potentially featurable. (And you are welcome to nominate it on AFD) As far as the pronoun gender issue - I'll defer to whatever they hash out on the manual of style, if and when they ever do manage to hash it out to a satisfactory conclusion. Until them, I'm going to err on the side of letting the article writer use his preference, so long as that preference finds common use in english. Raul654 (talk) 22:34, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

January 2008

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Angel Moroni

No one is claiming that a visit by an angel is a fact. But to say "Smith said an angel visited him" does not accept that it is true. It is essentially synonymous with "Smith claimed an angel visited him". But in line with WP:AVOID, it's more NPOV to just report what Smith said and let the reader decide what to believe about it rather than use "claimed", which can subtly suggest what the person is saying is not true. Zoporific 22:50, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Pollie Photos

Yes I had already noticed them. Very good work, thanks! I'd love it if we had photos of all 150 lower house and all 76 upper house MPs. Don't be discouraged just because they aren't ministers! Price is the whip for the govt though, bit more importance than your average MP. Seen a bit of him on the lower house webcast today and tonight. Timeshift (talk) 12:32, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

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Basil Catterns

The article contains no references or citations and upon reading it several times and reading through WP:BIO felt that it best if the community decide if it be kept. --Ozgod (talk) 04:52, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

RCC edit

Hi, I am not trying to be heavy-handed, but you changed a hotly-contested number that has two references, citing another WP article that in turn cites only one reference, without mentioning anything on the talk page. I reverted your edit, but would welcome the correction if the justification were: the two sources were misquoted, it is actually .2%. The.helping.people.tick (talk) 23:53, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

On further reflection either number is quite small and perhaps the "stat" should be expressed in such a way so as to convey the fact the proportion of offenders was small but nonetheless their effect was significant on both the Church and the victims. Albatross2147 (talk) 02:31, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

The mention of the sex abuse scandals in the lead has been quite controversial, and it has been my position that putting them there at all constitutes WP:UNDUE weight, but that since most people read more newspapers than books, many editors will try to add ill-formed sentences of dubious accuracy saying something about them in the lead, and to prevent that, even though it violates WP:UNDUE, we should put a brilliantly prosaic, well-referenced, NPOV sentence there. You are welcome, of course, to contribute, but any change in the lead should probably be mentioned on the talk page. It might also help to know that the RCC article recently went through a very contentious FA review, which it failed, so there are a number of editors who know the article pretty well right now, and might be able to help address your concerns adequately. The.helping.people.tick (talk) 03:58, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

G;day

G'day esteemed person who has expressed interest in Sydney based meetups at this page (I hope that's the correct wording for the formal greeting!!). You may have heard that Australia is to have its very own 'chapter' of the Wikimedia Foundation - and further, there's a meeting coming up to discuss / enact the chapter's incorporation (details here). I'm afraid that I don't know too much about the details of what this entails, other than having a private hope that we might get a secret handshake, and maybe cheap coffee at wikimania (this is a poor attempt at humour - I'm sure that the Chapter's do great work, and it's a good thing that Australia is to have one).

If you're interested in meeting up this weekend (the set date is the 20th) - or later, then please do head over here and sign up, or make a comment at the talk page... the drive to create the chapter has largely come from another town in Australia that I'm afraid I haven't actually heard much about.. and anything they can do.... right? - cheers, Privatemusings (talk) 11:11, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Re: Scientology#External_links

Chill, dude. You pasted a broken link last time, that's why I reverted it. I'm glad you found one tht works. Assume good faith, be civil. ;-) Foobaz·o< 03:30, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Your old link was:

http://www.abc.net.au/rn/religionreport/stories/2008/2218162.htm

Your new link is:

http://www.abc.net.au/rn/religionreport/stories/2008/2218519.htm

The last part of the URL is different. Check your information before you go making accusations. Foobaz·o< 06:59, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Drinks and a wiki chat?

G'day sydneysider - fancy a 'not quite a meetup but a few drinks' sort of thing? - We can chat about the new aussie chapter, the price of eggs and have our very own 2020 Wiki Summit! - or just sink a couple of cold ones and gass bag about the good 'ol days of wiki, when an editor could get some repsect (not a typo)! I've suggested something here so take a look and sign up if you're up for it... cheers, Privatemusings (talk) 02:29, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

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Costa

I'd appreciate it if like you say on your talk page, be civil. I never said nor claimed he drove a Prius so don't know why you're mentioning it. Michellecrisp (talk) 05:14, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Maybe, but it shouldn't be in the lead section. Michellecrisp (talk) 05:18, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

I've heard of something like this but the claim is uncited at the moment. I've added a fact tag and will look further. thanks Michellecrisp (talk) 01:46, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

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Obviously you can't read Korean. The information is mostly from Korean encyclopedias and I wrote the very correct info on this. The picture does not exactly depict the subject and the only available one so far. Besides, the question mark you added to the article is nothing but just your inquiry, so I had to remove the unhelpful mark because Wiki is not a blog. Besides, you're confusing "paraphrasing" with cut and paste. --Appletrees (talk) 02:51, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

pardon

It was not me.... but if it was then you nedd to be more gentle. Assume good faith. Paraphrasing is different to cut and paste. If there is a copyright infringement then flag it up. If you want to question DYK policy then talk on their talk page. Victuallers (talk) 08:22, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Spoof note on Joe Hockey

There is discussion regarding if the image is suitable for the page, as you uploaded it I thought i'd let you know. Timeshift (talk) 04:15, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Joe_Hockey#Cut_and_paste_eletion_material Timeshift (talk) 03:31, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

References

Hey Albatross2147, thanks for adding the National Film & Sound Archive info to the articles for Aeroplane Jelly (and "A Pub With No Beer"), but next time can you please be a little more careful - you linked one reference to the Australian Dictionary of Biography entry for Bert Appleroth, instead of the ABC website, and the other didn't use a citation template when all the other citations in the Aeroplane Jelly article use templates. You also changed an existing "cite news" template to a "cite web" one, which broke the citation. :) Regards, Somno (talk) 14:07, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

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Lyall

Hi Albatross. You commented on the Lyall Howard talk page about an "AWB incident". Is this some new information about Lyall Howard? Because the article is again listed for deletion, any new information that can be added to the LH article would be useful to help it survive the deletion review. Let me know if there's more information that can be added. Thanks, --Lester 04:56, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

G'day NewSouthWikiWelshman

...and I mean 'welshman' in the most gender neutral way, of course...and I'm aware that not all of you guys are from NSW.. and I'm aware that this hasn't been the most smoothly written note in Wiki's history, but hey ho...slaps head, persuades voices in head to pipe down, and continues.... Fancy attending a meetup? - We've got some interested Chapter stuff to chat about, no doubt there may be some tales of Arabian Nights (or at least Egyptian conferences), and it just generally felt like it was about time..... head over here if you're interested.... do feel free to wiki-edit away in the usual fashion too if you've got any other ideas! cheers all, Privatemusings (talk) 07:25, 29 July 2008 (UTC)you've been spammed in this nature because you signed up as interested in being notified about this sort of thing.. hope that's ok!

A good opportunity for...

Mr.Albatross, VASCO from PORTUGAL here,

Just a quick comment: browsing through PAUL McGRATH's article, i found your reinstatement of a sentence (now properly referenced) with this "charmer" towards me (YES, ME, since I was the one removing it, i will proceed further on this message to explain why i did it): "re-inserting material removed by Ita supporter who probably knows more about diving than football"...CHARMING. Guess what, i am PORTUGUESE, not ITALIAN, and only removed it because it was UNREFERENCED (now it is, cool, good job, i only removed it because it seemed vandalism, i was wrong, i can be wrong sometimes, CAN I?), and if anyone should be doing something properly with this bit it's YOU, not ME (check your sources, that heroic by McGRATH, a player for which i have nothing but the utmost respect and admiration, is 100% true (OK again, good job again), but IRELAND was NEVER LEADING 1-0 because ITALY WON 1-0, with a SCHILLACI goal).

As i said, i left the bit you reinstated, only now i relocated it to INTERNATIONAL CAREER, properly arranged, without vandalizing anything as the ITALIAN MOBSTER YOU think i am. A good opportunity there was missed on your part to say...NOTHING!!

From PORTUGAL, a nice week,

VASCO AMARAL - --217.129.67.28 (talk) 04:19, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

A good opportunity for...- PART 2

Mr. Albatross, just a quick one to leave ya'

I do agree with one thing you state in your user page. You should not be civil towards people who are not civil to you, and you have EVERY RIGHT IN THE BOOK to not assume good faith, when giving the right reasons to do so.

In "our case", what led you to say i am "...Italian..." and know "...more about diving than football."??!?! I thought NOT.

Good day, from PORTUGAL,

VASCO AMARAL - --217.129.67.28 (talk) 04:25, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

A good opportunity for.../Apologies (and sincere ones, might i add)

Mr.ALBATROSS, VASCO here again (this time it is VERY IMPORTANT),

I owe you, at least in part, a SINCERE apology. That incident of McGRATH and BAGGIO referred to the WC 1994, not 1990 and there, most certainly, IRELAND won 1-0 (as opposed to the ITALIAN triumph, also 1-0, in the previous WC edition), so you had your sources right. I sincerely apologize to you in this aspect, and acknowledge i also missed a big chance to...ZIP IT!

I tell you that, upon discovering my gross mistake, IMMEDIATELY proceeded to correct all my wrongdoings, properly arranging storyline duly, although still leaving it in "INTERNATIONAL CAREER" (it was an international game, was it not?).

Why did i say "apology in part"? Because of your personal attack upon reinstating this bit (remember? "re-inserting material removed by Ita supporter who probably knows more about diving than football"). Not the manners, but you stick with your actions, the way i stick with mine, disposing of/apologizing for the ones i am not comfortable with, as this was the case now. I apologize again.

From Portugal,

VASCO AMARAL - --217.129.67.28 (talk) 05:01, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Rees image

Was that image really taken by yourself...? Timeshift (talk) 03:40, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Hahah nice one. Timeshift (talk) 03:58, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Terry Eiss

Thank you for your comments. I have reverted him per WP:NOTE. Crac4543 (talk) 08:03, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your further comment - this time without a snide personal remark, I note. You're absolutely right - I was in too much of a hurry. WP:WPSCH/AG is more relevant than WP:NOTE - and has a section on alumni inclusion criteria; Eiss is probably a marginal case, I guess. By the by, looking at the guidelines also reminds us that the section generally needs proper referencing (as does the article as a whole - it's been in a pretty dreadful state, and although I've tried to copy-edit, it's still ropey). Crac4543 (talk) 13:06, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Homebush boys

Because you "know" may count as original research unless you can provide a verifiable source. You cannot let uncited info hang in articles for 10 months. of course if you find a citation you can add in at any time. Michellecrisp (talk) 23:57, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Please be civil in your communications. I've seen removed for being not citated for 2 months. Anyone can challenge uncited info in Wikipedia under WP:CITE#CHALLENGED, even Jimbo Wales once said "In general, I find the tagging to be overdone in Wikipedia. A better option is to nuke the unsourced material. Sometimes fact tag is warranted, I don't mean that it is always a bad idea. But it is overdone." Michellecrisp (talk) 00:08, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

As for citing a page number of a book, whilst not preferable it is not something that someone could easily look up. Michellecrisp (talk) 00:11, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Where access to specific resources, eg, school magazines, pre-digital texts, etc, is required to fulfil the encyclopedic function, we should never be surprised when decision-making via Google and/or robotic rules of conduct fail to 'cut the mustard'. Cheers Bjenks (talk) 04:44, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

A Sydney Meetup

G'day all - I'm dropping this note in to let you know that there's to be a Wiki Meetup the week after next, on Tuesday, 21st at 18:00 at The Paragon in Circular Quay. If you've ever thought about popping along to one of these, but haven't had the chance - now's the time! If you love the idea, but the time and / or place don't quite work for you, please do feel free to wiki edit away at the meetup page and I'm sure we can sort something out :-) Meetups are a great way to share wiki-thoughts, meet wiki-friends, and generally learn how to prefix all areas of your life with wiki- :-)

It's a very friendly bunch, and we're hoping to be able to formally collect membership fees and details for the Australian Chapter (did you know that we're the only current english speaking chapter? Join now for kudos and future bragging rights!) - as well as just generally have a good 'ol time. I look forward to seeing you there :-) best, Privatemusings (talk) 07:48, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Civility

Please give a read to Wikipedia:Civility. It is not consistent with terming others' good faith postings "busybody" or calling their postings "stupid." Thanks. Edison (talk) 04:46, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Flak towers

I responded to your query regarding their effectiveness on the article's talk page. As I stated in that post, the NatGeo show "Hitler's Secret Bunkers" provides a lot of information on the towers that would probably interest you. IstvanWolf (talk) 14:54, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

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Couple of questions

Do you now upload (free) images to the Commons rather than here? The other, having arrived here and noticed the size of the page, do you think it might be time to archive your talk page? Richard001 (talk) 06:57, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Wiki Christmas Meetup

G'day all - I'm hoping that I might persuade you along to a Wiki christmas celebration / meetup on december 18th :-) - The meetup regulars are a friendly bunch, and we're very much hoping to get a few new folk along to chat about all things Wiki (and there are apparently some exciting things in the pipeline! Come along to find out a bit more ;-) - you can sign up here - and do feel free to edit that page with any more ideas or suggestions too :-)

Hope to see you there - I've heard a rumour that the first drink is on the highest placed Australian in the current arbcom elections.... Privatemusings (talk) 23:44, 4 December 2008 (UTC)ok, so I started that rumour too....

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A League Positions by Round Table

This table Süper_Lig_2008–09#Positions_by_round would be worth emulating. Any clues on how to set it up? Cheers. Albatross2147 (talk) 05:05, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Wouldn't have to reinvent the wheel. Just use that template as it currently works. --Squilibob (talk) 07:51, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your response. I am not a dogrammer by any stretch of the imagination but I did have a play with it in my sandbox. The results were not pretty. I simply do not have a handle on how templates work. What I am saying, I suppose, is are you able to have a go? Albatross2147 (talk) 21:58, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Take a look at User:Squilibob/Sandbox. It works fine. --Squilibob (talk) 10:18, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

RE:Mark Donaldson

We pride ourselves on service! ;) I have all Victoria Cross related articles on my watchlist so when the edits started coming in I thought we should get started on the article. Thanks for fixing my typo! Regards, Woody (talk) 01:12, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

With regards to the Commonwealth VC issue, no problem. I felt you were insinuating that I was making a comment on the nature of the awards, specifically by using the words "colonial" etc. I was over-tetchy on the subject I feel, and for that I apologise. It is down to how different people interpret the written word, something that is widely open to interpretation on the internet. Your opinions on whether to include a separate table on the OZ VC recipients list would be welcome. Regards, Woody (talk) 12:20, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

This edit, I have no problem with, thought I must admit, I don't know what a "comprehensive" school is.

OTOH, I am not particularly amused by this edit comment: "happy now all you public education haters?".

Independent of who it is aimed at, it doesn't exactly "assume good faith".

Given that it was me who did this edit and made the comment: "ALL institutions in Oz "registered" as "schools" are, to varying degrees, "publicly funded". ALL of them. The variation is the percentage. Even "public" schools are not 100% "publicly funded".", I would guess that your edit comment is aimed at me.

If not, who was it aimed at?

If so, I am somewhat unimpressed that you have taken a statement of FACT, decided it was a statement of opinion, and categorised it as having been made by "a public education hater". Perhaps next time you might want to let the facts get in the way of whatever "good story" you wish to promote? Pdfpdf (talk) 11:47, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

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WikiProject Christianity Newsletter - July 2009

The Christianity WikiProject Newsletter

Archives  |  Tip Line  |  Editors The Christianity WikiProject Newsletter Issue X - July 2009 Project news The Christianity project and its related projects currently have 76 FAs, 8 FLs, and 148 GAs. We gained new recognized content in each field, with 4 FAs promoted, 2 FLs, and 3 GAs. Congratulations and a big thank you to all those who worked on these articles! Member news It was a big month for new members, with User:RandomNumberSee, User:Per Ardua, User:Muzhogg, User:Arlen22, User:Scotchorama, and User:Jaybird vt joining, bringing us up to 292 listed members. Thanks to you all, and a special welcome to our new members! Other news I am still working on the categorization matter. With any luck, we should have some results by the end of the month. There are also some discussions regarding project related activities at Wikipedia:WikiProject Christianity/General Forum. One issue in particular that might be addressed is possible elections of new coordinators. Anyone interested in serving in such a capacity is more than welcome to indicate as much. Related projects news The WikiProject Films has recently created a new task force for Christian films. All interested parties are welcome to join and contribute. Member contest of the month The previous contests are still ongoing, because of the extreme amount of time the categorization is taking me. Anyone who can bring any of the few Stub class articles among the project's 1000 most often accessed articles by the end of July will get an award. Please see the details Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Christianity#Project challenge of the month. Christianity related news Pennsylvania Amish farmer jailed for outhouse violations Obama expands Bush's faith-based initiatives Relics of 39 saints found by British Museum From the Members Welcome to the Tenth issue of the WikiProject Christianity newsletter! Use this newsletter as a mechanism to inform yourselves about progress at the project and please be inspired to take more active roles in what we do. It has been a long time since the last coordinators election. There is a lot for people to do, and I certainly would welcome seeing any individuals with an interest in such a position put themselves forward as candidates. I in particular would very much like to see some degree of "specialization" in the coordinators, so that, for instance, we might have someone knowledgable about some of the specific Christian faith traditions or other main subjects, like Orthodoxy, Lutheranism, Mormonism, the Jehovah's Witnesses, art, theology, and so on. If any parties who have experience with some of our faith- or- subject-based content would be interested in being candidates, I would love to see them do so. Please feel free to take part in the discussion regading what the minimum number of category items is, and how to deal with the non-qualifying categories, on the General Forum page. John Carter (talk) 23:26, 1 July 2009 (UTC) To stop receiving this newsletter, or to receive it in a different format, please list yourself in the appropriate section here. This newsletter is automatically delivered by ~~~~

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June 2012

Membership report

The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 331 active members. We would like to welcome User:Sanju87, User:Psalm84, User:Zegron, User:Jargon777, User:Calu2000, User:Gilderien, User:Ronallenus, Thank you all for your interest in this effort. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.

From the Editor

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Church of the month

by Berthold Werner Saint Catherine's Monastery, Mount Sinai

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By John Carter

DYK

• ...that Anna of Kashin, a Russian medieval princess, was twice canonized as a holy protectress of women who suffer the loss of relatives?

Calendar

Thie coming month includes days dedicated to the honor of Beheading of John the Baptist, Saints Peter and Paul, the Nativity of John the Baptist, and Saint Barnabas.

Featured content and GA report

Alec Douglas-Home recently achieved FA status. This picture, in the Church of the Month section, was recently promoted to Featured Picture status. Our thanks and congratulations to all those involved.

Wikimedia Foundation report

Wikisource currently has many old texts available, most of them in the public domain. This is a potentially very valuable source for several things, including for instance links to Biblical verses, because we know that it will, basically, be around as long as we are.

By user:John Carter with inspiration from History2007

Christian art

This section would include a rather large image of a specific work of art, with a link to the most directly relevant article.

Suggestion: Resurrection of Christ, an English 15th century Nottingham alabaster. Groups of painted relief panels were sold via dealers to churches on a budget , who had wood frameworks made to hold them locally. From a huge new donation of images from the Walters Art Museum to Commons, see

By Johnbod

Spotlight

A new WikiProject relating directly to Christian history is being developed at Wikipedia:WikiProject Christian history. Also, a group specifically devoted to the Mennonites and other Anabaptists is now up and running at Wikipedia:WikiProject Christianity/Anabaptist work group. Anyone interested in assisting with the development of these groups and topics is more than welcome to do so.

By John Carter

I believe

... in the statements contained in the Nicene Creed. I believe that the Bible is one of the two defining bases for belief. The other is the Sacred tradition, which provides us with means of interpreting the Scriptures, as well as some teachings which have been handed on by God outside of the scriptures. I believe that the Magisterium has been empowered to fill this interpretative function. I believe that clerical celibacy is a rule that should generally be followed. I am a member of the Catholic Church.

By John Carter

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July 2012

Membership report
The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 336 active members. We would like to welcome User:Emilymadcat, User:Toa Nidhiki05, User:DonutGuy, and User:RCNesland, Thank you all for your interest in this effort. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.

From the Editor
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Church of the month

by User:JaGa Mission Santa Clara de Asis

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We had last month asked our members to help "bring into the fold" Wikipe-tan as the project's mascot. Voting will take place this month for which image we should adopt at Wikipedia:WikiProject Christianity/Outreach/Wikipe-tan. Please take a moment to review the images and vote for whichever is your favorite, or, if you so prefer, suggest an additional one.

By John Carter

Calendar
Thie coming month (mid-July through mid-September) includes days dedicated to the honor of Mary Magdalene, James, son of Zebedee, Ignatius Loyola, Saint Dominic, Joseph of Arimathea, and the Transfiguration of Jesus.

Featured content and GA report
Grade I listed churches in Cheshire was recently promoted to Featured List status. This picture was recently promoted to Featured Picture status. Bartolome de las Casas and Edmund the Martyr were promoted to GA level this past month. Our thanks and congratulations to all those involved.

Wikimedia Foundation report

Wikibooks welcomes the development of textbooks of all kinds, children's books, recipes, and other material. It currently has just under 2500 books, including several Wikijunior books for the 12 and under population. There is, at present, not even a book on Christianity. Anyone interested in helping develop such a textbook is more than welcome to do so.

By user:John Carter

Christian art

The portrait of Sir Thomas More by Hans Holbein the Younger.

By John Carter

Spotlight
A new WikiProject relating directly to Christian history is being developed at Wikipedia:WikiProject Christian history. Anyone interested in assisting with the development of these groups and topics is more than welcome to do so.

By John Carter

I believe
... in the tradition of Thomas the Apostle, Mar Addai, and Saint Bartholomew. I believe that Jesus had two essences (or natures), human and divine, unmingled, that are everlastingly united in one personality. I am a member of the Assyrian Church of the East.

By John Carter

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