Talk:Mauve

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anybody? the hex triplet is pretty much a guess... user:Grendelkhan

It looks right to me, but I will maybe do some research and see what I can find. norbu 12-20-04

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#993366

wrong color, a misunderstanding of the meaning of mauve? Wetman

If it is the wrong color, update the color list too, when changing. It looks right to me. norbu 12-20-04

--Phil | Talk 12:41, Apr 6, 2005 (UTC)

No, the problem is a misunderstanding of the order of the triplet, if you're trying to get blue to dominate then 993366 is backwards. Also 99 is not 1 (16/16), it's essentially 10/16, for 16/16 use ff. Mauve is basically any pastel purple leaning towards blue, you can get a rich mauve with the RGB triple 14,10,16 (in units of sixteenths), e0a0ff in hex.

 

#e0a0ff

. For a greyer mauve push up the green a tad more to 14,12,16, e0c0ff.

 

#e0c0ff

. Vaughan Pratt 19:16, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

I updated the CMYK and HSV values based on the changes Vaughan Pratt made. I also updated List of colors, Template:Shades of red and Template:Shades of violet to reflect the changes. PaleAqua 20:03, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

How is this word pronounced? Why is it listed as a shade of red, but not blue, when the rgb triple has a higher value for blue?

Pronunciation

The article gives as correct only one pronunciation for mauve (to rhyme with grove, as in French), however, some dictionaries (Merriam-Webster) also contain another pronunciation. What's the wikipedia rule for such things?

Policy is to represent all reliably sourced points of view and alternatives. Dicklyon (talk) 23:02, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

The single pronunciation /ˈmoʊv/ is supported by Paul Brians' site, "Common Errors in English Usage."

I've enjoyed browsing the site before, but I take issue with its bluntly prescriptivist nature as he usually fails to show his work on how something is "wrong." Prescriptivism in grammar is one thing, applying it to pronunciation in the English language as a whole strikes me as silly. Here, he evidently doesn't like the /mɔv/ pronunciation of mauve. It doesn't matter that it's apparently the predominant American pronunciation. As far as I can tell, he doesn't like it—so it's wrong. Incidently, my dictionary (NOAD2) shows /mɔv/ and /moʊv/ as the U.S. pronunciations, and /məʊv/ as the British pronunciation.— RVJ (talk) 18:46, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

(I get confused by phonetic symbols) I was taught "mawv" by my parents from the north of England, but being brought up in the south heard "moave" more often. I don't know whether it was a regional thing or just them though? Dainamo (talk) 09:18, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

I personally am used to "mawv", and have added it into the article (both are already listed on wikt:mauve). It's worth noting that that Paul Brians' site no longer has that pronunciation on it (the whole page is gone, and the new site does not appear to make any claim about its pronunciation). --Pokechu22 (talk) 03:52, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

The -au- combination is problematic in English because language-of-origin guides pronunciation. Other words have this problem to— think of “bow” as a noun, then as a verb. In the case of “mauve,” the word is from mid-1800s French, so the close-to-French -au- would be the one to go with. The closest thing in English is the “o” in “glove” “love” “above.” They probably should have gone with “move” if it weren’t already taken.Timnmnangers (talk) 00:01, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

Kabbalah as Metaphysics?

Metaphysics world seem to be an odd heading for Kabbalah to fall under. Perhaps 'Religion' or, better, 'Occultism'? Rykalski (talk) 10:48, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

A nonsequitur?

The article currently states: Mauve became very popular in the 1890s and became associated with homosexuality because well known figures in the art world during that decade were gay such as author Oscar Wilde and artist Aubrey Beardsley. Can anyone come up with a clearer (and preferably cited) explanation of what the original writer presumably intended? --Kay Dekker (talk) 20:38, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

For that matter, the Aubrey Beardsley article gives no indication that Beardsley was gay, though it notes that he was closely associated with other prominent people who were. I'd recommend deleting that sentence altogether unless it can be authoritatively cited. 206.208.105.129 (talk) 18:25, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

#993366 is correct in the original definition of "mauve."

Perhaps the meaning now of the word "mauve" is that of a lighter purple, but the initial definition was of color #993366 when it was introduced to the world of textiles as "mauvine." If anyone has ever seen a zebra malva, it says it all. It is the most popular and prolific of all malva grown in gardens and is, indeed a deep magenta, not a light purple. The reason why mauve is now considered "pinkish," is because the color wound up being more of a wash than a dye. The original piece dyed in mauvine would be the color of the zebra malva (#993366), but when washed over and over, it faded greatly, as they did not have the knowledge or technology to know how to make dyes colorfast and resist bleeding. This "happenstance" occurred very soon after the introduction of the color to the textile world. What probably sealed "mauve's" fate — to be described as this newer definition – is the fact that clothes were treated to do this on purpose, so that the final product was, indeed, the mauve we know today. Within 3 decades of it's introduction, German chemist Paul Bottiger developed and patented colorfast dyes and mauve would forever be known as a light pinkish purple ... more from its reputation rather than its reality. By 1888, when Van Gogh painted "Souvenir de Mauve" (a painting of a pinkish tree, and a double entendre because the painting was a homage to his friend, painter Anton Mauve), the definition of the color was set in stone. Please refer to the Wikipedia photo Malva Sylvestris Zebrina (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Malva_sylvestris2.jpg). Source: Bright earth: art and the invention of color By Philip Ball. Pookerella (talk) 15:24, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Contradiction

The article says this:

Mauve contains more grey and more blue than a pale tint of magenta.

But the colour value (as well as the colour shown on screen) has it as a bit more on the reddish side, without extra grey. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.139.87.10 (talk) 17:56, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

Wait a minute. Maybe I'm misinterpreting the colour values and looking at the wrong colour. Just a minute. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.139.87.10 (talk) 17:58, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

Forget it, I was looking at the wrong box.

Deep mauve

Deep mauve is only mentioned parenthetically, with no evidence that there is such a color. Mauve is mentioned in the reference, but not deep mauve.

I don't plan to edit this article as my current focus is on the color lists articles (e.g. List_of_colors:_A–F). I do plan to remove this entry from that list, but if someone does some research and can can find evidence that there is a color by this name, it can be restored. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sphilbrick (talk • contribs) 13:44, 25 September 2018 (UTC)