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Black Arm Band

I have a question about the following line: "Did you wear the black arm band when they shot the man who said: 'Peace could last forever'?" I assume the black arm band signifies something. Can anybody explain?

I am almost certain that it's a reference to Martin Luther King, Jr. KyuzoGator 19:38, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Could be, not disagreeing with you, but a black armband (one word) is worn on the bicep of the left arm to signify mourning when someone has died. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_armband FiggazWithAttitude (talk) 16:50, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The peruvian guerilla leader

Do anyone know who this guerilla leader is?

Check out the source, the Chicago Tribune story, which only gives him a first name (Jorge) to protect his true identity. A common journalistic practice to protect a source. Guerilla fighters & narco-terrorists usually don't want their first and last names published. FiggazWithAttitude (talk) 17:00, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

America Civil War

Guns n' Roses vocalist Axl Rose uses Confederate clothes and Union clothes intechangeably in his Live renditions of "Civil War," so, contrary to the bias on this page - it IS indeed (also) about the American Civil War.

It seems as though Wikipedia's pernicious liberal bias, is, again, here at play. --Unsinged

Yet, does this song even make sense in context of the American Civil War? The "dual meaning of the word civil" is used incorrectly, and besides, there are at least 8 or 10 meanings in any good dictionary.

I challenge you to find one direct reference to the American Civil War in the lyrics of this song. I find it exceedingly strange that strict NPOV is seen as a "liberal bias" by the True Believers... KyuzoGator 19:36, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Direct reference in the lyrics? Sadly, no, however someone has very thoughtfully pointed out for us that "The song also includes the American Civil War song, "When Johnny Comes Marching Home", whistled by Axl Rose in the intro and outro." Cheers! FiggazWithAttitude (talk) 17:05, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I know songs that usually talk about the Kennedy assassinations are about the American Civil War. 75.74.188.74 (talk) 18:03, 22 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

What did the Kennedy assassinations in the 1960s have to do with the American Civil War in the 1860s? I would argue nothing. I would, however, agree with you if you were to say that the Kennedy assassinations were events in an unofficial, cultural American Civil war in the 1960s.

How exactly did the American Civil War serve to 'feed the rich'? You don't think the Republican party was justified in starting the war to end Democratic slave-based economic supperiority?

I would point out that there were rich on both sides of the American Civil War. One could say that if the South had won, then the rich in the South would have been "fed". FiggazWithAttitude (talk) 17:07, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"For all I've seen has changed my mind. But still the wars go on as the years go by, with no love of God or human rights" There. He clearly refers to multiple wars and how his attitude toward war in general has changed. --IronMaidenRocks (talk) 09:38, 26 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

why civil war was released?

GN'R released this song first on a benefit album, then on Use Your Illusion II and then as single but why have they made such a song? And why have they released it in 1993 as a single? Please help me! Thank you!

"Civil War" is a Guns N' Roses song (written by Axl Rose, Slash and Duff McKagan), originally appearing on the 1990 album "Nobody's Child", a fundraising compilation for Romanian orphans. It is a protest song about war, that amongst other things say that a civil war only "feeds the rich while it buries the poor". Notably, the United States was involved in no major military operations at the time of its recording, so it is mostly thought of as a tribute of sorts to 1960's anti-Vietnam protest songs.

I may be mistaken, but wasn't there that whole Gulf War thing going on at the time? The Gulf War (1990–1991)

"Nobody's Child" was released on July 24, 1990, about a week before Iraqi troops crossed the border into Kuwait. If one is really desparate for a contemporary American military operation to link the song to (notwithstanding the lack of any evidence thereof), the most recent prior operation was the December 1989 invasion of Panama to depose and arrest Manuel Noriega. Airbornelawyer 07:57, 31 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see why anyone got the idea that this was a protest song to American conflicts. Rather, its simply calling out the foolishness of any armed conflict between any peoples. --IronMaidenRocks (talk) 09:34, 26 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

clarify

"a Peruvian militant general", get an actual name. Sherurcij ^{(Speaker for the Dead)} 00:57, 14 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Check out the source, the Chicago Tribune story, which only gives him a first name (Jorge) to protect his true identity. A common journalistic practice to protect a source. Guerilla fighters & narco-terrorists usually don't want their first and last names published. FiggazWithAttitude (talk) 17:01, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 27 December 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: (non-admin closure) WITHDRAWN - apparently editors don't feel theoretical confusion with Civil War song justifies a move. User:力 (powera, π, ν) 17:52, 28 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Civil War (song) → Civil War (Guns N' Roses song) – Insufficient or incomplete disambiguation. While this would be a primary topic for "Civil War" if only songs were considered, the threshold is higher for using incomplete disambiguation. The topic of songs about or from the American Civil War (etc.) as well as a song from Captain America: Civil War (soundtrack) are sufficient that this title should be further disambiguated. User:力 (powera, π, ν) 19:58, 27 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. I fail to see the possible ambiguity. You could add hatnotes to Music of the American Civil War and Captain America: Civil War (soundtrack), but the current article title works. 162 etc. (talk) 21:54, 27 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per WP:OVERPRECISION. There's nothing incomplete about this disambiguation. There's only one song titled "Civil War" with an article on WP, and this is it. Station1 (talk) 04:41, 28 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: Only song titled "Civil War" with an article. Unnecessary. ResPM (T🔈🎵C) 17:32, 28 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.