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A fact from Ardi appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 9 October 2009 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Discovery Channel called Ardi, "The evidence that Darwin could only have dreamed of"?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2009/October.

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Ad copy?

The Discovery Channel quote is from advertisements for their program. Does an ad really qualify as a reliable source? I think an ad would tend toward hyperbole and in general wouldn't qualify as a valid source. Mr. Darcy talk 17:14, 11 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I agree. I've removed the content in question, which seemed impertinent anyways. Emw (talk) 17:21, 11 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Picture needed

Fossil articles always need pictures :D —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.53.50.17 (talk) 08:57, 20 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, this is a really important one, too. Why are there no pictures? It really needs at least one. Broodoobob (talk) 02:24, 3 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I added an artist's rendition of what Ardi would have looked like when she was alive... Still looking for a picture of the actual fossil though! cymru lass ^{(hit me up)}⁄_{(background check)} 17:17, 31 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Added an image of the skeleton from the original Science article (Fair Use). Chic happens (talk) 05:09, 30 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Neutrality?

The claims of bipedality, the date of 4.4 Million years and relationship to Homo/Australopithecus are debated. That debate or disagreement has to be reflected in this article. The lack of neutrality is reflected by most citations being to only one source (papers from 2009 Science issue). V madhu (talk) 05:24, 8 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Probably because there aren't much sources, since it's only a year that the first reports are available. 84.222.237.27 (talk) 16:51, 9 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

V madhu, can you provide references that clearly state that these are debated? If you can provide references, then we can add them where they belong in the article, and the tags will go. If not, then your comments are WP:OR and the tags will go. As of now, the article meets WP:RS and WP:V. Edhubbard (talk) 17:01, 9 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Edhubbard, please give me a little time to compile a mini list of citations in support and in disagreement with specific parts of this article. Nevertheless, the fact that all citations in this article are from the same group and issue of Science is of concern, especially because the literature on this topic is extremely large and old. V madhu (talk) 04:32, 9 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Contradiction and Duplification

Contradiction: In the header the statement is made that Ardi "cannot be a common ancestor of Chimpanzees and humans". However, in the Archaeology section, it says that "it is not known whether Ardi's species developed into Homo sapiens".

Duplification: Also in the header is this quote "The canine teeth of A. ramidus are smaller, and equal in size between males and females. This suggests reduced male-to-male conflict, pair-bonding, and increased parental investment.[4]". This quote is then repeated in the Anatomy section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.250.109.251 (talk) 15:09, 12 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That is not a contradiction. He could be an ancestor of humans but not of chimpanzees. Also the lead is supposed to summarise the rest of the article so it is supposed to repeat som of the material from the body of the article.·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 00:16, 24 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Isn't it also notable that Ardi was being promoted as a "Missing Link" in human evolution at one time, but later became disproved? 72.224.189.211 (talk) 22:01, 23 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

No one serious has promoted him as a missing link (paleoanthropologists stopped using that word decades ago) - and there has also been no such "disproof".·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 00:16, 24 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Merge with Ardipithecus

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

The result of this discussion was to keep separate articles Jack (talk) 12:43, 23 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

There is no reason to have this article seperate. FunkMonk (talk) 13:21, 29 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Weak oppose: There is actually pages for most individual primate fossil finds, see list of human evolution fossils. Jack (talk) 19:39, 5 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: It is perfectly common to have an individual article for fossils of historical importance. This fossil is of particular importance to Ethiopian history in itself separate from its species. አቤል ዳዊት (Janweh) (talk) 22:30, 8 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Picture of assembled skull

This picture is the skull bones assembled: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ardi.jpg

Should probably be added to the article. I would do it myself, but I'm not sure how. 62.212.129.214 (talk) 08:24, 29 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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"Although it is not known whether Ardi's species is related to Homo sapiens"

This phrase sounds strange -- Ardi is related to Homo Sapiens as all species on the tree of life are. Presumably it's uncertain whether Ardi is a direct ancestor of Homo Sapiens... AnonMoos (talk) 16:09, 14 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]